THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

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Pagani's Huayra uses a TTV12 and Audi's fastest road cars use V10s. Mercedes' fastest road coupes use TTV12s. Customers want the instant throttle response and low-rpm torque. V12/V10s may go away for political reasons, but not for desirability.

Most of the technology used in the fastest track cars will never be seen in road cars. Ground clearance, tires, gearing, and rpm vs torque are obvious ones. KERs has common benefits.

In other words, an engineer designing the fastest/most desirable road car will design something completely different for the track. The old days are gone. The two technologies are widely different, and Ferrari is exploiting that just fine. They know their road customers don't want 4-cylinders even if that's best for the track.

 

Audi and Toyota clearly stated that the hybrid technology and many other things they're developing at Le Mans will be used in their future road cars.

Perhaps they were kidding.

Audi/MB/Porsche/Ferrari/Mclaren/BMW/Ford/Lotus/Aston/Jaguar/VW/Toyota/Nissan/Corvette/Ford/etc/etc all make race versions of thier road cars. Porsche and other's make completely road legal cars that do very well in endurance racing. So far we're the only one doing it with Prototypes but who know's what may happen at Le Mans in 2014 based on the new rules. The one thing we do know that while V8 458 GTE's which are based on road cars and have done very well at Le Mans will continue to race, no car based on the V12 New Enzo will ever race anywhere.

KERS cars have isntant throttle response unlike V 12's. So much so that we had to redesign our gear box with a torsion bar tapered main shaft when we added KERS as it's instant throttle response snapped the stock one in two.

 

I think the car will turn out well. That being said I do have a question/comment about the current design trend. Why must the headlight clusters continue to endlessly grow? In this picture the cluster appears to take up 60-70% of the whole fender??? I am sure the end result will be nice. Just an observation.

 

The mule is using headlights from a different car. The new Enzo may have it's own lights more in scale with it's form but the cost to homologate headlights is beyond belief. The ones on P 4/5 cost over 200K e. That's why Ferrari makes you use existing lights on one offs and may use already paid for head and tail lights on several cars. The 599 tail lights have been used by Ferrari on several cars and I think the Enzo tail lights were also.

 

Well, we know that there is a lot of marketing BS regarding race technolgy for the streets. Yes, race tech usually gets to road cars, but in a watered down version and years later. Quite often to get those result it was not necessary to spend gazillions in a racing team (but of course there still are PR benefits...)

One thing I find interesting is that now the road cars are setting the trend in the races. I mean: the downsized engines and hybrid technology, that it´s the current trend, started in the road cars and later got to the tracks. I don´t know if this is the first time this happens.

 

Yes. I said above that hybrids benefit on both road and track. That's one of the few technologies that does.

The race versions of the road cars are completely different. They may look the same, but that's about it. No road car is going to beat a race car in the same class. I've been close to a V8 458 GTE and I can tell you it's a completely different animal than a road 458. V12s are for the road, not the track. Why did Pagani/Mercedes/Audi/Porsche/Lexus/BMW/Ferrari select a V12 or V10 for their fastest road cars? McLaren doesn't have the resources to do a full road and street development. IMHO, their latest road car is boring. That's why they're trying another.

Nice find! Maybe tell Porsche and Ferrari to help keep their warranty claims down? Just kidding obviously. The engineers know this long before the gearbox is designed. All electric cars have the same problem.

 

Luca confirmed that enzo's succesor will be revealed before end of 2012...

"At the end of the year, we'll also be unveiling the new Enzo, a limited series model and our first ever hybrid car."

 

Sour grapes I think...

 

Yeah, what did Enzo know? He only had the most successful racing team there ever was. Then again, a privateeer who builds bodykits might know better. Or so might the 2nd best racing team that had less than half the titles of the best racing team.

PS: McLaren does not even build engines... I 'd rather ask Skoda!

 

Keep drinking the kool aid.

Porsche has won more races than anyone.

Many Privateers have strapped body kits onto road cars, been recognised by the FIA as constructors and have won an FIA World Championship with a single car team as we likely will on September 29Th.

Not.

McLaren does build engines and is building the one in the P12 but besides those things everything you said is true.

 

Jim, help me out here. Which of these FIA championships will you be winning on september the 29th? Not trying to be a ***** here, my question is sincere.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/championships/Pages/Championships.aspx

 

FIA World Championship Alternate Energy Cup Class 7 Sports Cars. Audi's LMP1 hybrid will likely win in the Prototype Class.

The Porsche Factory Hybrid didn't finish a 24 this year and all of the other eligible cars won shorter races so our First in Class 12 OA finish at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring puts us in the lead. We need at least two race to win so we will race again in a 4 hour at The Ring on September 29Th. If we finish that race with KERS working I beleive we win that Championship. KERS working is key as there is some controversy about Audi's KERS working at Le Mans. I'm not sure of the outcome of that. The FIA certified our KERS working at our 24 and will be at our 4 hour to see how we do. As an aside I'm not sure any one car team has ever won an FIA World Championship before.

 

Thanks!

 

No one is perfect Enzo had the balls to speak his mine based on what he believe right or wrong that gave him power to move forward no matter the mistakes he made along the way he Created the biggest name ever in the motor industry... Very few other names anywhere have the power or instant recognition of FERRARI

 

I guess it was that Kit Car Maker McLaren that won the 1995 24 Hour of LeMans with basically a Street Car that had to be tuned down to an even 600BHP to win overall. Oh I forgot that year a Porsche finished 2nd, but it was a full blown Racing Car. The McLarens I believe also took Postion 3,4, and 5 as well in 1995.

As far as the Engine is concerned, lets just wait till Sept 26 when all will be released.

 

Perhaps BMW has won more junior races overall but what really matters is F1, which is the pinnacle. Ferrari is by far the biggest winner in the big boys league. You may like endurance racing but... that's like saying that what matters is the local championship and not the world one...

To my recollection, Porsche has a grand total of wait... 1 championship round victory! That would make the Weissach marque one win better than Minardi then! Marvelous!

McLaren DOES NOT MAKE F1 ENGINES!

On the other hand, Riccardo (who???) builds that V8 for the MP4 12C. Yeah, that's what I call pedigree!

This is getting boring. Questioning the F1 team that has won 16 World Titles (Williams is the 2nd best with 9) on the manufacturing front.

Next time kids we will discuss the Pope's faith in Catholicism! Stay tuned!

Kisses!

 

Enzo was far from infallible! He was stubborn as hell but overall he delivered!

 

I guess the TAG Porsche Engines in the back of the McLarens from 1984-1986 don't count?

 

Will you be in Paris?

 

Not really, they were not a real manufacturer, splendid engines as they were.

Same for the Hondas and the Renaults.

 

and therefor much faster. The Mac was more reliable though. Again, not taking away anything from their win but I am not sure what it should tell us about the P12 or McLaren in general.

 

and less then stellar engines in the 1991 Footwork cars. But ok, I guess Ferrari have dropped the ball on occasion as well since 1950.

 

Sure they have! Multiple times!

 

I hope to be there on 25th - 28th for the introduction, will you go to Woking before or after the Introduction?

 

I guess Ford Cosworth and all other Engine Manufacturers (Matra. etc.) don't count either? How about when Ferrari ran the Lancia D50's because their cars couldn't win in the mid 50's?