THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

that wasn't the point, it is Ferrari compared to the mclaren, mclaren is free to be a complete clean page for it's design, the F70 is all new no doubt, but certainly it does have some Ferrari elements that it's obligated to include, that's all

 

Probably just before but working that out now. Will likely go to Paris as well.You're totally
welcome to join us at our 4 hour on September 29Th at the Ring.

 

That would be an honor, let me check with my schedule, I would love to be there. I can even help you in the pits if necessary.

 

This is really off-off topic but since you mentioned it, Ferrari acquired these D50 chassis. Unfortunately, it's the chassis that wins on paper (If it wasn't, McLaren would not have had a single win. ), even though Ferrari was primarily an engine manufacturer. Times change though; nowadays the engine is just another component. It hurts to say it but that's the truth. I dislike modern F1 (post 2006) for this reason alone. I think engines should be at least 50% of the show!

 

I agree with a lot of this, and apologies to everybody for going off topic here. Remember also that the reason that F1 was surviving in the 1960's was that a lot of the British Manufacturers (Gargistas) did not have the resources to build their own engines, so we had Climax, Maserati, Cosworth, etc. It wasn't really until the dawn of the early 1980's and the Turbo ERA that the Manufacturers started making the motors besides Cosworth, Renault, and Ferrari of the time.

 

+1!!!

 

that TERS is an interesting development ...was it found to be to restrictive to place it in the main exhaust stream (down stream of the turbos), and so the wastegate exhaust instead? the only down side i see in that is the wastegate not being a constant flow, so depending on the track & number of times the wastegate vents would be how much electrical generation you'd get ...cool tech!

 

Jim thanks for your historical perspective. It's good to know the full arc of the story. What you said above is the deal, which IMO, is the right decision for this point in time.

At some point we'll see turbos in a production Ferrari. Maybe even in a mid-engine model.

-F

 

Like the 208?

 

The electronics are the key. The ceramic motor is the main turbo
shaft. Electronics change it from a generator to a turbo spooler depending
on need hopefully harvesting everything that would otherwise go
up the waste gate. The ceramic motor can withstand the exhaust.

Poppy

We have a big lounge at The Ring and room for FChatters.

Bill come over and you'll see several bone stock Road legal
Porsches beat any Ferrari 458 GT 3 in their class. If any Ferrari
GTE's show up you can watch us put them down.

We have allowed our gearbox manufacture to license our mainshaft
design.

 

I have a feeling I won't be welcomed there... lol

 

Like the F40.

Before Enzo died he gave several drivers including Nino Vacarella a 1988 208 GTB Turbo.

We bought that one from Nino. Very cool car in the mountains.

 

You take this way too seriously. I said all Fchatters. I didn't say all Fchatters except you.

 

Despite the large numbers it was produced in I still can't accept the F40 as "production".
Congrats on 002.

 

Most kind of you sir. We might become friends after all, you never know. Cheers.

 

and that actually is my point. There are no elements that Ferrari is 'obligated' to include in their supercar. Not even a V12. The F40 is not disregarded as a super Ferrari because it has a V8. Same goes for the 288GTO.

 

Yes, see them again.

-F

 

There's a fine line between respecting tradition and being stifled by it.

 

It would be funny if there actually was a sign at the entrance of the lounge. With a big red cross and all

 

Thank you for the invitation!

P4/5 is faster than a 458, but the germans GT3 are still very hard to beat. I've raced against some 997 R last weekend at the Dijon circuit and I was impressed because those GT3 are very reliable and easy to drive (abs, tc, paddle shift).

 

I suppose there is. But what elements are Ferrari 'obligated' to include in their new supercar?

 

I'd like to think that any tradition is more a matter of spirit and ethos than of a particular mechanical part.

 

Jim do you think Ferrari will eventually settle on a car line up that looks like this?

Halo Car V12 insane power space ship looks produced once every 10 years

2 Front engine V12s
Coupe & 4 seater

Mid Engine V 8

Front engine V6 turbo

Reason I ask is because I think its funny now how Ferrari says the 458 or the 430 are "entry level". A car with 562 HP isn't "entry" level and of course the 458's successor will probably have close to 600 HP.

So do you think we'll see an "entry level" turbo V6? Or would Ferrari create a V10 format & leave the V8s as "entry" level models but with less HP?

 

ok, but somehow it should translate to some concrete elements within the car. I truly think Ferrari could operate by starting from a fresh sheet of paper. The heritage is not something to be followed when starting a new project, but it is what gives the project it's historical perspective. If anything, the super Ferrari, however, should be the car to lead the way. If Luca really feels the F70 should have a V12 because the FF and the F12 have it and the F70 should at least be on par with those cars in terms of number of cylinders, I disagree with him. Ferrari should be perfectly capable of presenting a cleverly designed V8 as cutting edge to their public.

Like Jim, I'd like the super Ferrari to be created from a competition point of view. Racing should be in the core of the DNA of any Ferrari. Either GT or sportscar. Well, ok, except the 2+2's perhaps. The 288 GTO was meant to compete in Group B rallying, the F40 saw battle in numerous GT-races and the F50 was on course to do so as well, allthough it never happend. I never really understood why the Enzo didn't answer to that principle. Perhaps it was a matter of business as to allow Maserati to campaign the largely Enzo-based MC12, but it would be a pity of the F70 followed suit. It is however likely that it will never enter any serious competition. That is, perhaps, understandable, seeing how Ferrari puts all of its competition resources into Formula 1 and in GT racing the 458 has things pretty well covered (Risi, come back!), but still the F70 could have at least the potential to be raced.

Unlike Jim, I believe this does not mean the F70 shouldn't have a V12, nor do I believe that LMP1 should be the benchmark per se for a roadgoing sportscar.

 

I think it will be a while before we see another Supercar from Ferrari after the New Enzo and I also think when we do it won't be a V12 but as with all things the answer to that is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind.