THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

is a v12 strictly necessary, no ...do Ferraris client expect one, likely ...thus mclaren has a bit more free reign to make a car that just that bit more in the performance numbers game than the F70 likely ...IMO if one does 0-60 a 10th slower than the other, or 3-4 mph top speed slower, is really meaningless ...my point follows along the lines of what JG said below, that's all

 

Basically I agree except that under current rules a V12 can not be competitive in endurance racing as it's too fuel inefficient compared to a V8 for the same HP which is of course regulated.

When we started with P 4/5 C I wanted to use a 333SP as a platform even though it couldn't wind up road legal but it's fuel inefficiency under current regulations made that impossible for endurance racing at the Ring where each lap is 16 Miles. Under the 2014 LeMans LMP1 rules a V12 would be impossible to make competitive as fuel efficiency is very important. F1 is going down this road and that's why they're moving to smaller turbo engines.

 

Not really. It was meant as a sports cars competitor but that Group B series never took off, thus the 288 project was abandoned.

 

that's what he just said, it was designed & meant for that series, which was cancelled before it could enter competition ...the 288 project wasn't actually abandonded, it was in a sense recycled, and resulted in the F40

 

While V12s are synonymous in the minds of many with Ferrari the factory has built and raced a variety of configurations (I fours, V and straight sixes, and V 10s). The common theme is that they built and raced whatever best suited the situation. This is the prevailing tradition.
If you stick with any idea once it becomes outdated you risk self parody.

 

Yes, Ferrari can put just about any type of engine in a car and as long as performance is the goal, there would be nothing radical with trying something new.

The V12 is a dinosaur, but last time I checked, dinosaurs can be cool. Big, scary, aggressive, exotic, ferocious...

-F

 

No, he said Group B Rallying! The 288 was not meant for the WRC!

 

likely just a typo! we knew what he meant ..either way, the 288 program wasn't abandoned

 

that is correct

 

something like that. I believe the 288 was already around once group B rallying was axed.

 

Interesting that everyone is getting exited - again - about a McLaren. Here is a car company that has NEVER built an engine, not even in motor racing.

That touted its MP12c ( or whatever it's called) as being the ultimate Ferrari 458 beater...whoops, they got that one wrong....

But is is as unreliable ad a 1982 308 GTSi and us unwieldy on the limit as an early 348...

Then they showed off their X1..... Even if it is good, it's looks destroy everything about it.

So, now a Supercar from a manufacturer that gave you the SLR, and that has a CEO who is obsessed with beating Ferrari !!!

For what it's worth, count the F1 titles won by McLaren vs those won be Ferrari since 1999....


Hmmmmm, I guess something just does not quite add up... Even if Jim thinks highly of the next McLaren mistake!

 

I know...

There was this Group B RACING (not RALLYING) series in the making that never made it after Toivonnen's unforunate demise. The 288 was meant for that series. The series got called off but the 288 spewn off the F40.

Elementary Dr Watson.

 

No! You don't say! They are only second best then? Gosh...

 

But Toivonens accident lead to the cancelation of group B rallying. He died at Corsica in a Delta S4 in may 1986. According to Wiki, group B racing was formed in 1982. The 288 GTO was introduced in 1984. So why did it never race?

 

Faster round a race track.... Interesting thought. These are road cars so their race track performance can be tweaked in a dramatic fashion as well you know. Just put on a different set of tyres and the difference is in seconds. As a matter of fact, McLaren have different performance figures for the mp12c depending on the tyre option taken.

Then, depends who you put behind the wheel and how that person sets up the car. Invariably, in both cases the goal is to astound the press.

Where the new Ferrari will astound is in the technology that it will have - a first for a road car and while it may be marginally heavier (remains to be seen) the power to weight ratio will be in another league as will how the driver can use the power.

There will also be an XX version, so then we will be able to judge track performance!

 

Guess you didn't watch too much F1 from 1984-1999. You conveniently forgot about the McLaren F1 that is to this day more desirable than any Ferrari Supercar of its era.

As far as the MP4 12/C some of us who own them, also own Ferraris. I guess its impossible in your book to like both.

 

Quicker? Yes. More desirable? Well, that is rather subjective

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has that been officially confirmed?

 

Because when Ferrari got the 288 ready (2 years after the introduction of the competition), the Series was already stillborn. Toivonen just killed the whole Group B. One of those fate things really...

 

Therefore is a v8 not out dated by a V6 or an inline engine based on that line of thinking

 

Typical Clarkson... a jack ass really!

 

Thanks for the invite! Sounds like some crappy Ferrari drivers showed up. There is no way a bone stock street GT3 RS (?) or GT2 RS (?) is going to beat a 458 GT. The tires alone would make the difference. I have a GT3 RS and are very familiar with the 458 GT. Even a bone stock street 458 is much faster than a street GT3 RS. A 458 GT is a different animal.

 

2012 FIA Alternative Energies Cup-Speed Circuit events cat VII

Pos Drivers DEU Pts
1 Fabrizio Giovanardi (ITA) 10 10

 

No, but you know Ferrari will have an XX program to test the new hybrid engine well above 920 HP for clients. The XX program is a cash cow for them.

Ferrari carefully plans & manipulates things in a good way. IMO the reason the F70 is being launched in 2013 is because in 2022 Ferrari will be 75 years old. This car the F70 will be 9 years old, time for a successor. You know the company will unveil another wild Halo car for its 75th anniversary, probably derived from an XX program started around 2016.

I'd bet and would hopefully like to see all of us here in 2021 guessing and drooling about the F75(?)

 

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Pete