THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Additionally, XJ 15 (w/a 12) was released nearly the same time, albeit with intent to compete in a marque race series - though some did see the street and may've served to cannibalize 220 interest/sales, as well?

220's a snappy rascal to this day, and well-worthy of a peel if lucky enough to be tossed the keys!

 

It is.

Let's cut to the chase.

Who's getting a New Enzo?

 

Probably because of the sound and feel of the engine.

Turbos lack emotion.

A twin turbo V8 is just not as impressive as V12 - even from an engineering standpoint.

 

Lack emotion?

Having driven an F40 I totally disagree.

 

I will agree that an F40 is something extremely special. The turbolag being a big part of that.

I see the F40 as an exception to the rule if you catch my drift...

How do you feel about McLaren and Ferrari looking to the P4/5 for inspiration BTW?

 

who says that they are?

 

When they make their official press announcment the reason it has P 4/5 cues will become clearer...

Inspiration is too strong. P 4/5 cues yes.

 

Turbos may lack some aural excitement but I'm moved more by performance than the accoutrements of performance.

 

Since when? LoL
Since the first generation of the GTO moniker. The factory called the car "GT", and the sanctioning body ... NOT the factory ... homologated it (meaning, "approved it") for racing. The sanctioning body added the "O" ... not the factory. Indeed, the sanctioning body was authorized to approve the car for racing, not the factory. The "O" was NOT an indicator of "factory intent" ... it was an indicator of "sanctioning body approval".

This process was abandoned in the second generation "GTO".

But i absolutely agree ... ever since the second generation of the GTO moniker, the factory is certainly authorized to call a car "GTO" if they wish ... with, or without, involvement from a sanctioning body.

Again ... in the first generation, "O" did not mean "factory intent" ... it meant "sanctioning body approval". Such approval was not bestowed by the factory. This situation, this process, was already abandoned by the second generation.

 

Then you will not mind that a N/A V12 offers both.

 

Form Follows Function.

 

I'm not prejudiced against any configuration and the more noise the better.
But faster is still better.

 

Designers often pay Homage to Great cars. PF paid Homage to my P 3/4 when they designed P 4/5 and the designer of P12 paid homage to a few P 4/5 (not P 3/4) design cues.

When McLaren does a full release the reason for this will become clear.

A Ferrari designer told me the new Enzo has P 4/5 cues as well.

We shall see.

 

IMO..Pay homage ( pronounced with a french draw).....is another word for theft of intelectual property.

Not saying thats bad...just putting the record straight....

Re inventing the wheel would have been a tougher choice...so why not..

 

It may not mean factory intent to homologate, but it is still there purely for marketing reasons. A LOT of homologated racing cars already existed before and at the same time as the GTO, without having the O (or H, or whatever letter necessary) added to their names. The SWB, for instance, was homologated for GT racing, why doesn't it have an O? Or the DB4 GT's? E-Types? Cobras? Sanctioning bodies had nothing to do with the naming of automobiles.

The O in GTO is totally a factory decision. The old man was known to boast when he got his way (or protest flamboyantly when he didn't, like the case of the 250LM).. Even if the sanctioning body asked Ferrari to name the car something different than 250GT, they didn't have to call it GTO. In the case of the 250GTO, the O is telling the truth, but in any case it's a marketing ploy. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

Jim, it'll be cool. At some point again, Ferrari will offer a mid engine V8 TT and maybe it will make a good track car (21st century F40?). Perhaps in 2017.

BTW, you're not one of the ones who's over thinking this. I kind of agree with you.

-F

 

Claiming the 250 LM was a 250 GTO was funny.

 

Hopefully gas powered cars will be legal in 2017.

 

Yeah exactly. This is the beginning of the end of the gasoline engine. Continuing the V12 for sentimental reasons is not the worst way to go given the times we live in.

-F

 

not true.

The "O" in the original 250 GTO was actually added by someone at the sanctioning body. In some approval document, a "-O" (hyphen oh) was added behind the 250GT, to indicate that approval had been granted. The name stuck, and the hyphen was eventually dropped. So the O was added by the sanctioning body ... both figuratively, and literally.

Factories don't approve cars for the racing series. They may design them for the racing series ... but the approval, the homologation, is added by the sanctioning body.

The GTO moniker was already a marketing statement in the 288 generation, rather than strict adherence to the procedure ... and meaning ... of "GTO" in the first generation. Nothing wrong with that either !!

 

I think what we are seeing is that there is a convergence of styles as the aerodynamics are becoming highly refined. Not sure this is a bad thing, as it is all based on simple physics.

At some point, there will be a radical design that will take a big leap forward--much like the high nose in F-1. Others will find a way to copy/modify/improve this design.

It's just the process.

 

So, you are saying the 250GTO is called '250GTO' because the sanctioning body gave it that name, not the factory? So who named the 330LMB? or the 275 GTB/C?

 

Acccording to people in the industry, the internal combustion engine has at least 50 years left in it. Personally, I believe that it will not go away in the foreseeable future.

 

TURN IT UP!!

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Aerodynamics and safety legislation.