THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Well, it would be great to share with us maybe. I don't know anyone in the Ferrari design department. Overall the P4/5 is a homage to its sisters it shares your stable with. I am sure that it has some unique elements not shared with any previous F-car. But they are not many to the naked untrained eye. So maybe, by giving us a list of the features unique to the P4/5 you would offer an insight into the looks of the upcoming Enzo replacement, without disclosing any "secret" Info.
The analogy between the McL and the 458 is simple. The decision for the purchase of either one is barely based on the performance numbers. I am sure it is in some cases, but as a percentage they are very few. Because we are not comparing cars with huge differences. It is not like we are pitting a Bentley CGT SS against a 458, where they both have huge amounts of power but completely different capabilities and feel to them. We are talking about two cars which will have pretty close power output, pretty close acceleration and max speed and probably would lap any track very close to each other. And all of these stats are going to be recorded by pros behind the wheel far exceeding most people's abilities. So the decision which one to go with would be based on personal preference, not on dry numbers.
I am sure that the reason for a lot of cancelled Ferrari orders that went to McL could be attributed to a dozen different factors other than the claimed performance numbers. Because whatever they are, the cars have more HP than its driver can handle, goes faster than its driver is willing to ever go, can accelerate faster than their driver will ever need and are both flashy enough to show off with them. Now I realize that this is not true for absolutely everyone out there, but it is for the majority of these cars buyers.
Out of all the Veyrons made, for example, how many have ever gone over 200mph? Have any of them been driver for 24 hours straight even off the track? Same could be asked about Enzos, Koenigseggs etc.

 

says who that PF have nothing to do with the design? Not what they say.....

 

I don't think that anything with Luca's name will be made wile he is still alive

 

What who says PF or Ferrari? PF as I understand it did some work but a LOT was done in house and I've been told the New Enzo won't have PF badge but like all one hears some is not correct. In any case I think it's fair to say Ferrari's in house design department has a LOT more to do with the The New Enzo than the previous one. Have you heard differently?

Several in Europe have seen it. If you have what do you think?

 

The vehicle dynamics of the McLaren and the 458 are totally different. They drive totally differently. Race version of each compete against each other but the race cars are quite different from their street cousins.

I still feel how a car performs, drives and feels as it's driven is very important to many purchasers of Hypercars. To those who put 253 miles on an F40 over 22 years less so.

 

really? Didn't SA stand for Superamerica?

Didn't Pininfarina design the exterior of the F70? It is a long time since the factory didn't outsource the design to Pininfarina.

I think the factory would care as well. Surely the plan the F70 to be the new benchmark. At least for some time.

 

Ferrari SA Aperta

In the beginning I think they were involved. I've been told very little at the end. Others?

I agree

 

I agree with all of this and it is exactly my point. The McL and 458 are totally different with different dynamics, altho they deliver very similar results. And the same will most likely be true for the upcoming P12 and F70.
If someone gets goosebumps from the sound a NA V12 makes he will get the Ferrari even if the P12 could lap the Nur 1 sec faster. And if turbos spooling makes another person's heart race, he would go with the McLaren even if it is capable of "only" 233mph vs. 237mph from the F70.
How a car performs, drives and feels as it's driven is very important to most hypercar purchasers. How it performs, drives and feels as it's driven ON NS in particular, nowhere near as much if at all.
Not to mention that quite few of these buyers would probably get both cars.

 

Jim,

Lucky 13 is a little twit who inserts himself in conversations with little to no knowledge, he is a Troll, and his comments in the F1 Section are laughable at best.

 

Ah...

Hopefully see you in October.

 

I think the car in post 1 is a red herring. That is not an f70 mule, it's an F70 decoy.

 

I really don't see where is this coming from and why is it necessary.
I am merely expressing an opinion in an open forum, without being disrespectful in any way. And i stopped participating in the F1 section years ago because of comments like this one.

 

WTF.

He has made perfectly valid points in his posts so far.

A lap time around the N-ring is not alfa and omega.

 

Read his other posts in the different sections, and it will give you a better idea of what he is about.

 

Pittiful. I pretty much barely ever post. The only other sectionS is the F1, where we have different views on Hamilton's performance. All of which is about as relevant with this thread as what a purpose built one off racing car could lap the Northschleife in.

 

And I am the troll?..............

 

Yes you are, every time you come into the F1 Section, your nonsense causes nothing but problems.

 

What does the F1 section have to do with the new Enzo?
Was I ever rude to you?
Did I ever call you or anyone else names?
You are the one stirring the pot right now and I really am baffled for the reasons.....

 

For the F12 they had teams in house and at pininfarina develop proposals and they ultimately chose the in house design. So it hasn't been that long since ferrari designed their own car.

 

Back on topic, isn't PF going to do the majority of the design with Ferrari's in house studio working with them?

 

Do you guys think that this has something to do with Sergio Pininfarina's passing?
I am sure the JG would know this best, but from I have read in the past, I was left with the impression that this was the process with pretty much every model in the past. There were few different rendering from designers within PF and then the head of the project picked from them and guided the direction of the final product. I understand the Mr Pininfarina was personally involved with certain models and I can only assume that the special project Ferraris, like the F50 and the Enzo were amongst them. So is the switch to inhouse design coincidental with Pininfarina Sr's passing?

 

In Sergio's obit in the current issue of Forza Luca states that the SA was named for Sergio and Andrea.

 

Correct, that was what I heard as well.

 

Easy there. That isn't cool.

Until a discussion about New F70 pics directly from Maranello spontaneously reignites, I'm not sure this thread is good for our little community.

 

You spend any time in the F1 Section?