The Official "Jay Leno Doesn't Like Ferraris" Thread

Wow no one was there. What time did you record this?

 

I have only one simple question - why is this thread in Detailing & Showroom?

 

I have another simple question - why are so many fchatters obsessed with Jay Leno? Who cares if he likes Ferrari or not, if he has a Ferrari or not, if he mentions Ferrari or not.

So many different threads pop up all over Fchat about Jay Leno all the time???

I think Pacino has a Lotus and Maury Povich has a Bugatti, who the hell cares???

 

the fact that Jay was so polite to the bimbo interviewer shows lots of tact on his part. the kind of crap famous people and celebrities have to put up with is amazing.

 

She does sort of give the term "Bimbo" a bad name. I thought they were supposed to be at least cute - to make up for the stupid content.

 

Why do you think Ferrari needs any 'more' publicity than they already have? How long is the new-car waiting list, again? Entire production run sold-out, in-advance? What of this fact do you not understand? The day Ferrari builds one MORE car than world demand, then you may have a point. I don't need to see pictures of Jay with the new F12 or a 458 in HIS garage to know I want one - if the car doesn't sell itself based on what makes it a Ferrari, his personal endorsement isn't worth dung on my sneaker. The folks at Maranello understand this.

 

Okay, pal. We can have a civil discussion or no discussion. The points I made are valid.

If your idea of presenting an argument is to attack others' intelligence, then you can just go F **U**C** K yourself, @$$H O L !

 

I know this is an old topic but the dealerships need to understand that they are the first place a potential customer ever gets to know the cars. For years I would stop in my local Ferrari dealership a few times a year and the arrogance was typical of most high end dealerships-oddly the Bentley shop was always very cool. I know the owners younger son thought he was too cool to talk to anyone.
Then one day I called to say I was having an F40 shipped to their shop for inspection and service.
Funny how nice they are now.

 

Welcome to the board.

 

WOW! talk about an over reaction!

Take a chill pill, and re-read what M.James wrote, absorb the information and then come back with a calm response rather than some adolescent, infantile threatening response filled with unnecessary vulgarity!
(And frankly, how can you claim to be having "a civil discussion" when you burst into a vulgar rant at the slightest comment?)

That's not necessarily true!

I suspect plenty of their "loyal" customers were born into money/positions in life that mean that they were never once a " Joe Schmo".


Now lets deal calmly with the part of your post that seems to have been the catalyst for your childish response:

We don't know for a fact that Jay Leno is not the sort of customer that Ferrari wants.

What we do know is that certain staff/dealerships (and others involved in the World of Ferrari, including certain owners!), have an extremely arrogant attitude towards certain members of the public (and in the case of some owners, this attitude extends towards other owners who drive "lesser models" ).

These people are not Ferrari, they are not even employed by Ferrari. The staff in the dealerships are employee's of the dealership franchise. If the franchise management treat people badly based on a preconceived conception of the sort of people that they want to have as customers, then it's the dealership at fault, not Ferrari.

Again, if the management of the dealership allow their staff to treat members of the buying public poorly, how is Ferrari to be held responsible? I'm sure if these members of the buying public were to complain to Ferrari directly, Ferrari would not be very impressed.

Has Jay Leno reported to Ferrari in Italy about how poorly he's been treated in the past?

Now, show Me an official Ferrari authorised regulation that states the standards that potential customers must have in order to be worthy of buying/owning a Ferrari! - You can't, because no such regulation exists. They may treat their richer customers with more enthusiasm than others, but that is the way of the World (and being an American, I would have thought you would be fully accustomed to that sort of situation!).

(As for the arrogant owners, it's a shame that they feel the way they do but you'll never change them. Sadly they will remain Ferrari snobs the rest of their days.)


You mention that having Jay Leno as a customer would give Ferrari "a great deal of free positive publicity".
As M.James wrote though, Ferrari do not require any additional "positive publicity" from having Jay Leno as a customer, they sell all the cars they make without his "help".

And just how much negative publicity has been created due to Ferrari not having Jay Leno as a customer?
How many sales have they lost because Jay Leno doesn't own one? - as they sell all the cars they make, I'd have to say the answer is none!

As for your "point d)", I'm pretty sure that the dealerships that jay Leno has dealt with were well aware that he is easily capable of affording a Ferrari without having to show his bank book to them (and where was it stated that he needed to show his bank book anyway?). I'm sure their attitude problem was not concerning the amount of money Jay Leno has. (Perhaps they were letterman fans? ).

Ferrari are not Cadillac, where the customer base got old and started to die off and Cadillac were slow to react to the decline in their number of customers. For years their sales have suffered as they were seen as cars for old people.
Now, slightly belatedly, they are trying to change that perception of Cadillac ownership and appeal to the younger generation.

Ferrari's loyal customer base on the other hand, is continuously evolving and updating because Ferrari continually evolve and update their product (as seen with the introduction of the flappy paddle gearboxes and loss of manual transmissions. The older generation owners bemoaned that real Ferrari's should have a stick shift, but Ferrari knew that the next, Playstation generation of owners wanted flappy paddles).

Ferrari are no fools when it comes to understanding their market!

Essentially, this post is merely a long, drawn-out version of what M.James posted. Feel free to post a ranting, abusive response filled with juvenile vulgarity if you wish, but it will not make arguments any-more valid or beyond reproach!

 

An over reaction? Hardly.

Go back and read what MJAMES wrote - please. I posited an opinion that was simply different from his. His response: "What part don't you understand?"

That's pretty arrogant and rude. . . I just responded in kind.

MJAMES, I understand your position perfectly. According to you, Ferrari has so many "loyal" customers who already have both a late-model Ferrari and the wherewithal to pay cash for a new one (or at least get on the wait list), that they don't see a need to promote their brand, cultivate new customers, or even be polite.

And, evidently, as self-annointed spokesperson for Ferrari dealerships, neither does MJAMES.

What I have trouble with is the idea that, if I present an alternate view to his, MJAMES responds by attacking my intelligence. I'm simply saying that Ferrari could do better by treating Jay Leno well than by treating him badly. I understand that Ferrari doesn't "need" Jay Leno. . . but I don't agree with the idea that Ferrari should have the attitude that they would only be polite to a potential customer if they "have to."

Okay, point taken: Many of Ferrari's customers were born rich. No argument here. MJAMES' position, however, is that "Jay Leno doesn't fit the profile" of a Ferrari customer, because he's not part of their loyal base who owns a Ferrari already.

My contention is that, because of his high profile, Leno is precisely the sort of potential buyer that Ferrari should want to cultivate - and if it's true that they wouldn't give him the time of day, well, I think that's a mistake.

My point exactly, and the reason that MJAMES launched into a rant about how stupid I am for not understanding, and for thinking that Ferrari might "need" him.

I've heard that, but never experienced it personally. Other members of the Ferrari club have always been very courteous, friendly and polite with me - despite the fact that I just own a humble 308!

The dealers on the showroom floor at Ferrari of Denver have always asked - politely, without pushing - if I'm in the market for a new Ferrari whenever I come in the door. I'm not, yet - but they respect that someday I might be, and don't turn their backs on me just because I have never owned a brand-new Ferrari, nor have I ever purchased a vehicle from them.

That's interesting; I didn't realize that. But I think that MJAMES needs to read that
information as much as I do. He's the one who has written on behalf of the attitude of "Ferrari" and dealerships as if they're one and the same. It is he who stated that Leno does not fit the profile of a Ferrari buyer; like you, I think he could. . . and MJAMES responded with astonishing arrogance and condescension.

Please pass this request on to MJAMES. I never said, nor did I imply, that this is actually Ferrari's policy. MJAMES did.

Yeah. . . Fortunately, I've only met one!

I never said they "require" it. Again, all I meant was that they would benefit more from treating a high-profile celebrity well than they would from treating him poorly.

See MJAMES' post:

Okay, that's funny.

Actually, most of what you posted seems to agree more with what I said than with what MJAMES posted. Plus, you were courteous, reasonable, and rational. I have no problem with the way you addressed me.

When someone asks me, personally, "What part don't you understand?". . . implying that I would have to be an idiot even to posit a hypothesis different than his, well. . . that's when I've got a problem.

 

i was thinking the same thing. I've been to numerous dealers and they've always been very nice. In fact I've found the porsche dealers to be worse. not one person will talk to me since I'm on the younger side and I didn't pull up in a porsche of high end sports car. I've never felt unwelcome at a ferrari dealer.

 

Pcar dealer here once gave me a HUGE stash of posters, including some rare ones of the Indycar effort.

Fcar dealers are helpful, but business like, you have Ron Tonkin in the NW, very helpful shipping home some spare parts from one of my cars, and tossing some hopeful "spares" into the trunk, for the long ride home.

Sorry to see that with Bradley, normally a very calm person.

BREATHE!!!!!

 

Given how many repeat threads pop up, I wonder if we should just make this a sticky (half serious).

Naaah - with hair like that, surely he's more of a 355 guy?

Actually, I could really picture him in a classic Ferrari like a 400i or 412. For some reason I just think he'd enjoy one. What do you think?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

It isn't that hard to figure out why there is interest. He is probably one of the most well known and one of the most knowledgable people in the car world. And he very easily could afford a Ferrari and seems to appreciate them. But he has chosen to not own one.
Of course a lot of us wonder why. I own a Ferrari and I get why Jay would choose to not own one.
To each there own. I love my car but I also get they are not made out of gold.

 

Thanks, Tex!

You'll see my posts here and there, but as for this thread, I'm done with it.

 

Ferrari's are a big pain. Id rather get one with a blown motor and swap something else into it. If I could find me a blown F-40, TR or even a 308 man id be golden! you'll be seeing an LS1 or 3800 swapped whatever with a big turbo on it. It would probably be faster and more reliable than what ferrari originally put in but ill be losing that ferrari sound.

 

But it's the sound that makes the whole thing worthwhile!

 

Well Played. Hard to argue against your statement. To this day the Stage 3 Capristo Ferrari Modena I heard years ago is still the greatest sounding car I have ever heard.

 

Finally, a Ferrari visits Jay's garage, courtesy of Adam Carolla and its a debacle!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU7SpMaX_uE[/ame]

 

If Adam is talking about a 275 GTB, then they are a bit more than $400k..

 

Yeah like 3 times more.

 

That was pretty good. Jay makes an interesting show of it.

 

Debacle? Not even close.

Great, great video. Lot's of fun and no selective editing. That's the joy of owning older cars.