Countach, the ultimate supercar

Well, it seems that haveing the original wheels on the car is a issue to some people, i always loved the looks of the bravo wheels, much more so then the newer style so when i orderd the car from the factory, i asked for the bravo wheels (telephone dial wheels we used to call them). The factory said they did not have any but would ship me a set when they were available and they did. My car was a test bed for a lot of mods and improvements that i developed over the years. Nobody would belive how many cars i have modified for my customers per their requests and we are still doing just that....george

 

This is the same car (seen as well during Paris 2012 Retromobile event), still for sale.

 

Thanks for sharing! Photos here make excellent reference for model building

 

I just found this one on-line for your kids. It will require some work. See link:

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/events/feature-lots.cfm?SaleCode=TB12&ID=r2027&Order=runorder&feature=grouping=

 

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LP400 got an invite to attend and be one of 60 cars chosen , one for every year of her reign a beautiful sunny day in a spectacular setting with lunch and tea, with cucumber sandwiches in the undercroft . the cars in the quadrangle were perhaps the best quality selection of cars ever shown and to give u an idea the Ferrari 250 GTO appeared a tad ordinary. Bugatti Royale , 8 litre Bentley, Voisin, and one-off RRs as well as some of the Royal family's vehicles including the aston martin used at will and kates wedding and a 21st birthday present to Charles from the Queen. Birdcage was nice as was 250 GT with stunning maserati . Sorry to be a bit off topic but it was really nice to see Lamborghini, a tiny factory producer so well represented with Miura SV and Miura s, Countach, Muci and Aventador, Gallardo and Diablo. And also i would like to mention seeing as this is predominantly an American website, a number of pebble beach winners were there (flown over i presume) which i thought was a nice touch and gesture to all and the Queen, from u folks across the pond And yes , a Duesy was there. And a V16 Caddy.
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I would be curious to know what people think happens to the value of Lamborghini's that have been modified from "original" (as it left the factory), even if it's for the better. For lack of a better term "factory design changes" that were instituted after cars were in production.

One example (and we've discussed this earlier in the Countach thread), the rear deck lid of the Fuel Injected 5000QV. Obviously Lamborghini must have realized that the original design of the engine deck-lid on the F.I. 5000QV was not conducive to allowing the hot air to escape. So, they redesigned it and went from the original 2-vent "stove top" design (like my car), to the slated 3 vent deck lid from mid-86 up to the 25th anniversary. So, what happens to value if someone changes out that deck lid?

The other example is the Miura. Lamborghini must have recognized the design flaw in the P400, S and early SV's having the transmission and engine sharing the common sump (what was it, the last 50 Miura's that changed over to the split sump?). Most people who own a Miura must cringe at the thought of a gear breaking in their transmission and working its way over to the engine side and chattering around the crankshaft, bearings, rods and pistons!

So, are P400, S and early SV's with the shared sump worth less because an owner had them modified to the split sump during restoration? Would they be worth more if they left it as it came from the factory with the shared sump because they can say the car is exactly as it was when left the factory? With some SV's now selling for over a million bucks at auctions, I would be curious to know if that modification effects the value one way or the other.

Mike

 

interesting point since there have been so much scrutiny over originality on these cars. I suppose the authenticity crowd would say devalue and keep the car running well crowd wouldnt mind... Its a polarizing crowd with the grey area being so vast its really constantly being interpreted in so many ways by many people... bottom line, there is no straight up answer... all depends on the prospective buyer and what he wants...

 

Hey Mike....

For myself, i would say that if the design was flawed and was detrimental in anyway,
such as the examples you gave, then i would say go with the factory update and never look
back. The car wont have much value first and foremost if you cant use it. Aesthetically i prefer if things "appear" the way they did originally, but a different engine cover from the same model, that was used later on, wouldn't be offensive. Functionality is especially important for someone like you that drives their car a lot. This would not decrease value.

 

I spot an EB110 in pic 3! Excellent.

 

Mike,
An excellent question and one I've been thinking of lately. As noted, I think it all comes down to the person, but it seems to me that anything older than 25 years old, or exceptionally rare, tend to be preferred original. Newer, mod is ok.

You and Ken make an exceptional point on the Miura, as well.

If you compare Lamborghini to other marques, though, the community tends to be much more open to updates and mods.

$0.02

 

I agree with the point that the older the car, the more original people want it. Perhaps because a car surviving for such a long time in original condition becomes more rare as time goes on. How many cars are restored where they recreate all the original paint runs & overspray? Flaws, but they add to the authentic from the factory look, down to the smallest detail.
In addition, I think the older a car gets, the less its desired as a driver & more of a collection piece. Of coarse, many drive their collectibles...

 

Make as few permanent holes as possible and keep any original parts when you mod, and anyone that complains is a whiner anyway.

 

Here you go Joe. Enjoy....


When I decided to restore her I wanted a more vibrant color of "lilac" which was the original color. So I brightened it up a bit. I argued til I was blue in the face about the color, it was my choice from day ONE. No if's no and's no BUTTS!

The way I look at my cars is this. I'm building them for ME and my SON to enjoy....

Since I don't plan on ever selling them in my lifetime I'm going to build and enjoy them for ME. I'm not going to give a ratz a$z what happens to them after my son is done playing with them I'll be DEAD. Again who cares.

I can tell you one thing...... My twin plug 914-6GT is one of the baddest porches on the planet. = )


I guess I can say that about my factory ONE OFF ACR as well.



(Also, Joe) Amen on what you said. Why wouldn't I call you? why wouldn't I call George?

Good advice is priceless, this is what Roy does not seem to understand.

I call whomever I want and if they dont want to entertain my call I'm a big boy not a big deal.

I can assure you I'll never call Roy for anything he seems to be bothered by lil ol' me. lmao


By the way since you don't know what I do for a living a little tip look at my last picture.

Since today is 9/11 NEVER FORGET!
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Here's my take.

I bought a nice set of original 84' rims with the 84' stamp on the rims.

I had them refinished. Then I found a brand new set of P7's 205's to be exact.

I had the tires mounted and wrapped them up in old conforters and carfully stuffed them in the back of my closet. If I ever want to show off my car I might someday put them on.

I'm not the show off type and never have. I actually prefer and enjoy the Gotti rims over the originals. The only reason I bought the originals I got tired of people telling me that "if" I were to resell the car I wouldnt get a good resale value.

If it wasn't for those comments I wouldn't have done what I did. I have 100% of everything I need to make my 84' 100% original right down to that crappy cassette Alpine.

Am I going to use that crappy Alpine? Heck no I went with a 7914 so I can at least enjoy a Metallica CD while I drive!

Also, one question for ya'll..... Is it OK to put on a 225/50/15 P7 or PZero on an 84' CT?

I have a brand new set of 225's sitting around collecting dust that I wanted to use.

My fronts are currently Dunlop 205's would it make a differance to chance them to 225 P7's?


@ Joe. On my 914 Notice the MSD? It's exactly what was done to the CT for drivability. I have 100% of the original parts to put back on both cars. A couple of hours here and there and back to 100% At least I can drive them worry free. I really don't care what others think they are my cars and I'm going to enjoy them the way I want them.

 

To the purists out there..

I guess this is wrong as well? lol

If my son wants to sit on my car so what.

If he puts a ding on them which he's done to many quite a few times so what.

Pay the ding guy to come out. He's on my speed dial and gets a kick coming out.


Life is short enjoy your cars but more importantly enjoy your kids as they grow up so fast.


@ Joe I named my son Enzo for a reason. = )
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