THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Last week at Monza the teams were having trouble coping with a repaved section that was barely perceptible to the naked eye.
Today's f1 primadonnamobiles at the ring?
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As you will all know, F1 teams and Manufactures today have extremely accurate Simulators and a few have publicly said and shown that they have the Nordschleife mapped down to every detail (I have read in various places that Red-bull, Mercedes, Toyota and BMW all have the Nordschleife simulated. I would be surprised if Fiat/Ferrari and Renault don't also have a map due to current vast usage of simulators and the Nordschleife at all levels of car development these days).

According to F1 Racing magazine of June 2006, BMW engineers simulated that that the BMW-Sauber F1.06 could lap in around 5:15. (Which equals to an average of 237 km/h.).

Comparing Lauda's 1975 qualifying lap time is pointless, as F1 races then were run on the track’s original length of 14.19 mile. Niki Lauda’s pole position for the 1975 German Grand Prix was 6:59 an average of 196 km/h.

I was at Monza last weekend as my best friend from University who works as an engineer on Michaels car was able to get me a pass (again). I will defiantly be interested in hearing his view about this "repaved section" that the teams were having so much trouble coping with (when you say coping, do you mean they cars started to self-destruct, or simply became unsettled?).
At no time do i remember on the Mercedes Pit radios during FP1, FP2, FP3, Qualifying or the Race it being mentioned. In fact i saw, nor heard about any F1 cars having drastic tyre or suspension or structure issues over the Monza weekend due to surface changes (if i have missed something, please link a source).

Small article on Toyota's Simulator from there F1 days.

http://www.autoviva.com/news/how_toyota_motorsports_uses_f1_simulator_to_prepar/5397

 

P12 does not look like it has a glass canopy look like P4/5, instead having what appears to be the same (or similar) A-posts as the P11 - can you confirm this?

To me, seems more like a 308-to-GTO/F40 conversion of P11 - with same engine and chassis - than the new-from-ground-up F70.

Will be interesting to hear exactly what involvement Rory Byrne had with F70 - or will it be the Rory - and also will be interesting to see if they use their recently patented pneumatic valve spring system - valuable weight and parasitic loss savings for a V12.

Anyway here's my v. rough, 2 minute sketch on the back of a scrap piece of paper of what I can read from the prototype:
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Simulating a lap, and actually running a lap are two different things.

 

Agreed. But its the best, and a very accurate indication of what a contemporary F1 car could be able to do on the Ring, without putting one on the Ring ! Due to limited testing now, simulators are vital to every top F1 team for almost every aspect of performance.

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Looks like Ferrari win

http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2012/01/6-million-dollar-spider-ferrari-f1.html

 

They are accurate on tracks that they can run on and map.

 

Who says "they" don't run on the ring? They don't need an F1 car to record the mapping...

All manufactures spend time on the Ring these days, and when they do there cars will be equipped with ever date logger and sensor possible.

 

Anyone can rice a car to the point it made ridiculous amounts of power. Hell, the manufacturers themselves could do that much better than a haphazard "tuner". The problem is that a tuned (or vandalised as I see it) car is not as reliable or as well sorted as a factory effort. Most of the times they don't drive well and they are just dragsters. Anyone can do that and with almost any sort of car. Even an Enzo, or the new Enzo, could be treated by those so called tuners and produce ludicruous amounts of power. Still, a stupid thing to do. At any rate, comparing apples to apples, stock cars compete against stock cars when it comes to bragging rights. If not, that 2200 BHP Vauxhall wins them all, but I am guessing noone in their right minds would fancy such a thing.

 

very nice, as always.

Luque

 

Steffan Bellof was killed at Spa-Francorchamps during 1000km endurance race, not at the Nürburgring.

 

Mclaren next supercar is based on a modified mp4-12c platform. even the side scoops are 90% the same. The bonnet scoop is similar to that of an Elise, and one in the top of the car that feed the engine just like in Mclaren F1.....

 

F1 doesn't race on the NS. They haven't since Lauda crashed there. They race on the GP track at Nurburgring. Why would F1 teams have simulators of the NS today? Beffof's NS record was just after a repaving and the NS is in far worse shape since then. Simulated time may interest you but real time's interest me.

The Record for any Ferrari powered car on the NS remains ours at 6:51.

 

It doesn't look like your sketch. The P12 engine is also quite different and puts out a lot more HP than the P11 and their KERS system is very interesting.

 

Yes. The video posted earlier was a amalgamation of different tracks. The accident happened into Eau Rouge, as shown on the vid. The 'best' complex of any track in the world.

 

Have you seen it or photo's of it?

What are you basing your statements on?

 

Correct the amalgamation confused me.

 

Why bother to map a track you'll never run on?

 

Exactly.

 

Sketch is of my guess of F70, not P12 - I think P12 will look like P11, as others have also posted. As to my point of P12 being like GTO/F40 conversions of 308, those engines also made a lot more power than 308. Just adding intercooler, which P11 doesn't have, will help.

My guess at F70:
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Seems that way from Mac video...

 

Grazie tanto!

Apologies for string of posts - trying to stay on topic (F70 discussion) and out of the simulated green hell it seems to have drifted into...

 

Yup, and almost 2½ year later.

 

No it won't, Jim and I have both seen it.


By the way nice sketch on the F70.

 

You've probably been sworn to secrecy, but will ask nonetheless: are the A-posts similar to P11 and like those on the prototypes of P12 of which we've all seen the pictures?