THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

The only firm number I've heard is under 2:00 at Silverstone. I bet at the the Ring it will break 7:00. I don't see the New Enzo being near those numbers.

I'm hearing 965HP and very light.

 

I´m curious to see if the F70 will feature a rear wing, even if a hidden one. Most supercars have one, like the Veyron, the Macs, the Aventador, but Ferrari after f40 and f50 simply droped it. I belive Luca explicitly stated tthat he did not want a wing on the Enzo. Truth is it will be very difficult for the F-70 to match the amount of downforce the P12 will produce without having one...and quite frankly i think it the one on the P12 looks very cool!!

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141773798&postcount=112

 

certainly not. The F40 is an evolution of the 288, yes. Calling the F50 an evolution over the F40 is debatable, but a stretch. The Enzo however, has no visual reference to any Ferrari (apart from the F1 cars).

 

So the Mac is such a aerodynamic marvel, that it needs a huge rear wing....

 

I wonder why they don't make those huge wings fixed anymore like they did in the 80s. They could make them tiltable to avoid drag at low speeds, but instead of that they make complex retractable and probably less eficcient wings. Probably it's just for marketing reasons.

 

These last two posts are funny.

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Was not my intention.

And the guy who made the rear wing of the F1 LM agrees with me.

 

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Wings are aerodynamic's. Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina has a much larger movable rear spoiler than an Enzo and has much better aero than an Enzo and is a lot faster around a race course than an Enzo. On the Bahrain F1 Track it left an Enzo FAR behind.

P 4/5 Competizione has a large rear wing and is 34 SECONDS A LAP FASTER AROUND THE RING THAN AN ENZO.

If Ferrari does not incorporate a wing into the new Enzo they are living in the past and the New Enzo won't have a chance against the P12 on any race track in the world.

The P12 rear wing is very high level engineering and has driver controllable DRS.
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Re Enzo- I agree that it's design draws on some minor elements of F1 design specifically around the front portion of the nose. The rest has practically no F1 DNA. However, the hood design is clearly an evolution of F50. Yes, the Enzo was clearly a fresh and different design, but there is clear DNA to the predecessors that marks it as one of the super Ferrari family. I suppose it boils down to the mid engined layout to a certain extent.

 

The amount of downforce the P1 will have is huge, I don't recall the exact number they told me in Pebble, but the Equivalent of a baby Elephant sitting on it. Also check out the Double Deck Diffuser at the rear, lots of true F1 went into this car.

 

and as McLaren has shown in the last four F1 races and their 2012 standing vs Ferrari their F1 engineering could be worse.

 

Agreed the engineering may be top notch for the P12 but the aesthetics.....

 

I think it could be just design fashion, you're right that a fixed wing with DRS-like would suit aerodynamic and downforce needs with a more simple construction.

 

F1 DRS with a fixed wing is simpler but it is much less efficient than the P12 solution in maximising downforce, aero braking and drag reduction for VMAX.

As movable aero devices aren't allowed in F1 the P12 solution couldn't be used in F1 but if was allowed it would be used as it's an aerodynamically better system.

 

Ouch!

To be fair the Scuderia is leading the WDC and not doing badly in the WCC when you consider that they're, in effect, running a one car team.

 

camon, here too!!?? Just put it to bad luck!!!

 

This is only because Alonzo is having an unbelievable year.

I know Massa has not been up to snuff, but don't forget, it was not too long ago that he came within one corner--ONE CORNER--of winning the WDC. Massa is not the driver he used to be, but Alonzo is simply having a wonderful year with a less-than-wonderful car.

 

But I was thinking of a fixed (non-retractable) wing with of course all sorts of settings possible between max and min drag, not just like current F1 DRS. Something like the P1 but non retractable, in such a way that a "fully neutral position" (closed wing in the P1) was also possible.

Just imagining...

 

I'm not trying to introduce that issue in yet another thread.
I just couldn't let Jim's tweak stand.

 

Chaparral did that but it didn't work all that and failed a lot. A fixed wing would still be a worse aerodynamically solution as even fully neutral it and it's supports would create drag which the McLaren solution does not.

 

Napolis likes to stir the proverbial pot. Now he is trying to break in to the good ole boys' club of constructors. That pot will be boiling soon.

Got my popcorn, and looking forward to the show.

 

Jim, not trying to discuss on racing and aerodynamics here, just imagining what a fixed wing "a la F40" could be like today, if designers wanted to. It would surely have settings from aero braking to minimum drag.

 

Just wait until we announce our F1 car...

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