The Massa Sucks Thread *OF COURSE THERE ARE SPOILERS*

Really?

 

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/8111459/Ferrari-To-Offer-Massa-A-New-Contract-

 

That alone says something. I completely agree that Mr. Enzo's patience's would have
expired by the 20th race (roughly one year). Now it's almost getting to two years...

Alonso just wants peace of mind in my opinion. He doesn't want to worry about his
team mate even if 99% chance he'll beat them fair and square.

 

Let us not forget that Massa was one turn from a WDC not so long ago.

As the accident gets farther in the rearview, he may become more fearless.

I would not have re-signed him, but can understand the logic.

 

4 friggin years ago! That's an entire career and gone for any other F1 driver who didn't deliver the way Massa hasn't delivered in the 3.5 seasons since.

 

Unfortunatly that´s not happening....2010 Massa was better than 2011 Massa, and 2011 massa was better than 2012 Massa!!! This is what i really can´t understand!!!
First race he drove after the accident he was second and he qualified ahead of Alonso, wich was pretty normal since he was quicker than the spaniard before his accident....problem was after taht his performance went down the cliff!! However he would still beat alonso for the victory in germany. In 2011, Felipe was screwd by the team many times in the first races, he would have finished ahead of Alonso many times and the first half of the season if not by several issues during his pit stops but, than he simply lost pace and alonso was on another planet.....this year it started from the begining, he had bad luck but, above all he had terrible pace, especialy in qualifying, wich was one of his strong points. Even in 2010 and 2011 he would be in front of Alonso somethimes but this year it never happened...although he has been very close in last races.
It´s true he is beggining to put good drives now, but i don´t think this as anything to do with time passing after the accident...perhaps he is really getting the grip of the car but, it´s funny how he was always quick in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009, and after that he was so slow compared to Alonso.....and don´t tell me it´s because Alonso is Soooo good, because MS was streets better than the spaniard, and Kimi was also a faster driver.

 

Maybe the testing ban has hurt him even more (or as this is a bashing thread: he doesn't seem to cope as well as Alonso). And maybe the car is now completely set up for Alonso. Don't know how Massa's driving style compares to that of Alonso, or Schumacher (and Kimi), but these things have to be considered as well.
And the whole "Alonso is faster than you" thing might have had more impact than even Massa will ever admit.

These are not excuses, just observations.

 

I was once told, doctors suggested massa should have stayed put for another year, in order to full recover. very few of this came to light but aparently all was not well when he first tested the car after his accident (although they said just the oposite to the press), and his speedy recovery was already considered a miracle.
So, from what i was told, they advised Massa not to return in 2010, but at the time, the Brazilian had the whole team backing him up, and he was afraid that with the arrival of Alonso and he being away for another year, things could change in favour of the spaniard, and of course you know f.1, if someone else takes your place and scores big time, chances are you will definetly lose your place. So Felipe made a comeback too soon and the results of that can be seen by everyone. Perhaps other things played a part as well, because tyres changed a lot and maybe didn´t suit his driving style anymore. I also believe the german G.p hurt him bad, because he finaly realised the team was backing Alonso and that was a hard blow for him.

 

Massa is sitting now laughing at how the drivers changes are playing out.

Against all odds he seems to have a drive for next year and in my view he's the silent winner of the music chair game.

 

Not sure he is laughing. I think there is a real chance for MS to take his seat for next year.

At least that's what I'm hoping.

 

I hope you are right but don't see how that bodes well with LdM

 

Unfortunately, Ferrari appears to have lost out big time - funny how Perez doesn't have enough experience for Ferrari, but has enough for McLaren. That makes me really annoyed - so next year, when Perez is routinely beating Massa, even if Alonso is well ahead, I will be cheering for Perez and booing LdM for getting exactly the results he chose.

 

Nah.
He's going back to Benetton.

 

it doesnt happen in 2007 it wont happen again now

either massa is replaced or retain

i would love to see schumi back in ferrari but it wont

perhaps i would be proven wrong again for the 2nd time

 

Eh, if I was him I'd be nervous. I would have been feeling good before LH's announcement.

 

Andreas, you are the last person that I thought would want to see MS back at Ferrari!

While I can be a sucker for nostalgia, you know, gettin' the band back together and all, I don't really see MS going back to Ferrari or Ferrari having MS back. Those days are over and gone and as much as it is nice to think about them being back, I don'e believe that it will ever really happen. With the lack of testing, MS will always be on the back foot against the new boys.

 

What about Schumacher to Ferrari and Massa to Sauber?

 

I'm thinking that too but Sauber needs $$$$ and guitierrez brings Carlos Sims dollars. Show me da $$$!!!!

 

In employing Luca's logic, Gilles wouldn't have been a Ferrari driver either. We don't know what Ferrari's 2014 plans are yet, but if Vettel is in fact on board then it is clear as to why Ferrari didn't grab Perez.

 

I don't like MS but:

- I consider MS of today as an average midfielder whereas Massa shouldn't even be in F1 (he is now like Nelson Piquet Jr.)
- MS has a proven track record of developing the car
- MS is great in wet conditions (Massa basically spins out)
- MS is/was a good #2 to Nico. He'd be a good #2 to Fred. I'm sure he'd know how to handle a "Fred is faster than you" situation. Probably more delicately than that other chump, who made it plain to see for the world at Hockenheim.
- Fred needs somebody good enough to steal away points from the competition and
- if all else fails, MS can just have "another senior moment" and plow straight into Vettel in the last race

There are about 22 drivers out there who'd be better qualified than Massa for the 2nd seat. But they're not in contention. I'm not hot seeing MS back in red, but if it means Massa doesn't get the drive, I'm all for it as it makes a lot more sense. At least to fill the 1 year gap.

And lastly: If Ferrari would take MS back, then it would truly mean they have forgiven him the 2009 betrayal. At that point I would bury the hatchet as well.

 

Here's a thought I had earlier today:

If Massa had done a better job so far this season, would we now be celebrating Alonso's 3rd WDC already?

Obviously it cannot be determined for sure, but this season Alonso has had to carry the fight to his rivals with no real support from Massa, where as, just about everyone else has had a team mate helping to take points off rivals too.

 

Probably not but the WCC wouldn't be a lost cause.

 

the what???

 

I'm not so sure. Had Massa been getting regular podium finishes and 4th/5th place finishes (behind Alonso of course), then the WDC would be very different going into the final races.

Even if he hadn't got it sown up already, Alonso would have had a much more comfortable run-in to finish the season if only Massa would have pulled his finger out of his arse sooner!

I can't help feeling that Alonso has done just about everything he could to win the WDC this year, but he could end up losing out because of Massa's lack of effort, and that would be a real shame!

 

I think you meant "they"