THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Hopefully that's true. I've seen the MP4-12C and it's not that impressive. Motor Trend rated it below the Subaru BRZ Limited, Nissan GT-R Black Edition, Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series and Porsche 911 Carrera S as the best driver's car...

"The gain on every one of the MP4-12C's controls is turned all the way up, and the actual car-ness of the car is lost as a result."

 

Where is everyone getting the 6:50 from?

Isn't it suppossed to be less than 500?

And as for the last statement so true, I don't understand why people need to try and diminish Mclaren to try and put Ferrari on the pedestal, it is already known that Ferrari is number 1 in this game, and Mclaren has a way to go before they can claim that. But really, they have a competent group of guys under their wings as well.

 

It must be nice living in the future and knowing things the rest of us don't know yet.



PS: I hope that you do not get offended. I am making a valid point here though.

 

No disrespect for McLaren. If it turns out they have everything I expect in a super car, I'd try to buy one. Running 6:50 at the Ring is maybe 10% important to me. My old slow Enzo still gets plenty of emotions flowing on the street and track, and even when it's standing still. Hopefully we'll see this around the new McLaren...
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What Motor Trend thinks about anything doesn't interest me.

Personally I think the P12 is quite a piece of Kit. It's the most radical hypercar ever made in that it sacrifices classic beauty for aerodynamic efficiency and speed around a race course.

At the time the Enzo was a departure from classic Ferrari beauty and pushing the envelope does sometimes open Pandora's box.

It will be interesting to see how Ferrari responds. Porsche visually went a safer route with the 918 which is sort of a Hommage to the 917. The P12 isn't an Hommage to anything as the Enzo wasn't an Hommage to any Ferrari Road car (F1 car yes).

As for good and bad I defer to Bob:

"Good and Bad I define those terms, quite clear somewhere somehow. Ah but I was so much older then I'm younger than that now."

 

He's still one of the smartest guys around I'm sure he could add a lot

 

How so? The P1 debuted isn't a production car, unless I missed something, but how do we know that the car meets the gov. regulations?

I'm still not a fan of the P1 or MP4-12C and I'm a huge McLaren fan...I've been rooting for them in Formula 1. The P1 doesn't have any good looks to it and the MP4-12C doesn't have any 'soul'. Cars aren't meant to be designed in a laboratory. Also...let's be honest. How many people who buy this car will actually take it to the track? Focusing on Nurburgring times are pointless.

 

As Warren said never look at the puck, look where it's going to go. Some are able to see where the puck is going to go quite clearly and those who can, can easily see that the P 12 will do all of the above. You don't beat the S&P over 20 years unless you see things that other's don't. (Yet)

You want to see a specific future? Disclaimer I own over 13MM shares of it. SXX.ln will be higher in the future. If you think I'm sniffing glue feel free to short it.

 

exactly. Why have they built a roadcar in a competitioncar mold? Don't they understand a roadcar is not a competitioncar and vice versa?

 

He hasn't engineered anything in eons though. Arts and Science have progressed. I am certain that some 15 years after I took my Masters' Degree I am way behind current knowledge...

 

As I can see the future I can tell you that the P12 will be a full production car and it will meet all government regulations except in countries that don't allow LT hand drive cars on public roads.

No soul? I feel Religious beliefs are a personal matter so I leave that to you. To a race track? The last time McLaren made a supercar several took them to a race track and one of them finished First Overall at LeMans something that no Ferrari has done since 1965.

 

6:50 refers to the time for a lap around the NS.

People are getting 6:50 as a very fast benchmark on this thread.

Personally, I took an M-5 around the ring a few years ago. I drove 2 laps and a guy with me, who was a professional driver, took me 2 laps. He lapped at about 8:30. I lapped a bit slower. He scared the lunch and breakfast out out of me.

I can't imagine going under 7 minutes. My eyeballs would pop like a balloon.

 

Road cars are the basis of many race cars. Ferrari built many road cars that raced without any modification at all.

The P12 would make a great GTE or an EXP2 Hybrid. Who knows maybe it's power train could power an LMP1. One thing for sure is that the New Enzo will never be a viable race car nor will it's drivetrain power an LMP1. Ferrari 458's make good race cars but it's next hypercar won't.

I accept that's it harder to make a car you can drive to the track, race and drive home as you could with a 250 GTO but some dinosaurs still try to.

 

For a smart guy that a silly thing to say he running a team at the highest level of Motorsport in most areas he more up with the play plus books no measure to the real world and we don't know what he does behind closed doors studies/up skilling, interests etc.... The reason most of the smart people are where they are is because they don't seat around saying I'm the man

I do get where your coming from but I think you short changing him a little.. His genesis maybe more to direction than tech etc but who know has not happened so not important

 

I am happy for you old chap. I am a poor man though and thus so many millions make me dizzy. Enjoy them in good health...

 

You do learn something new everyday!

 

As far as I know, he is into management mainly in the past dozens of years. As a matter of fact in his Ferrari days that held true 100%. I am not saying he is not a genious, obviously he is! But he is a manager really nowadays.

 

so don't you agree he could have added that to the f70 program and made it better... I was not stating where or what but that would have been great if he had had a hand in it is all..

 

Let's just say that I much prefer the technical genious called Rory Byrne invlolved rather than the strategic genious of Brawn. After all Byrne draw the F399, F2000, F2001, F2002, F2003 GA and F2004 (voted the best F1 car ever) - 6 Constructors Titles in a raw, an all times record! Who am I to argue with those numbers?

 

So think what together they would do to heads better than one lol

 

I am with you mate! Problem is that there are no strategy calls for Ross to make when it comes to road cars. Either two or three pit stops, it makes little difference going from Roma to Bologna.

 

re: high downforce making a bad road car

the P1 has electronically adjustable front flaps and a rear wing that will control to some extent the downforce created by the car, presumably in a more comfort orientated setting this would (along with an accompanying heightened ride height) help make the car more drivable on public roads.

 

What's the last car you've used that was a viable option for both the road and track? (in your opinion)

 

That statement may be true with today's rules, but rules change. Not too many years ago the rules in international GT racing favored large normally aspirated engines over smaller turbo-charged engines. The F40GTE was as fast as its McLaren F1 competition over a single lap, but was rarely in a position to challenge for wins because of ... wait for it .... fuel economy. At the boost levels required to have competitive horsepower, the smaller versions of the F40 engine used too much fuel compared to the restricted BMW V12. The Ferrari teams had to experiment with 3.5 and 3.6 L versions to strike a balance between power and fuel economy. The same problem ended the reign of the invincible Alfettas over 60 years ago.

Even more recently, the MC12 (an Enzo in drag), with its 6L V12, made a pretty decent race car, and the Saleen S7 and Corvettes have done alright with 7L V8s. If the rules allow it, there is no reason to think that this car couldn't replicate the success of the MC12C.

But you are probably right that with the way the rules seem to be trending, and with Ferrari's general lack of interest in the highest echelons of sports car racing, the F70 is unlikely to go racing.

 

So I take it Mac's powertrain would be a possible option for your LMP1 project
Maybe also a partner or share hold to split the costs of an LMP1 team