THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Perhaps not so much a disadvantage, but there is no point. Downforce beyond a certain level will never be effectively used in the public roads. Or at least, I hope not.

I never have actually Ferrari seen announcing anything themselves about laptimes. Mostly journalists put those out. And of course much of the development of the F70 will be done on the track, but Ferrari uses the track for all their cars.

I can only hope the F70 will also be send out in competition, but as Jim has said, it probably will not. I also could not imagine in what series it could take part, but it is a pity nonetheless.

True, but you'd have to agree that in terms of concept, the F40 was much more a tuned down competitioncar, than a tuned up roadcar.

I am not sure what you mean. The system is pretty straightforward. Flap down is downforce, flap up is less drag, more speed. Just a matter of setting the wing up as you please and press the DRS-button whenever you are entitled to do so. That should be peanuts for those F1 wizzards. Plus, in a roadcar it seems a bit redundant.

 

Thanks.
If you don't like Picasso try Cezanne or Bracq.

Just don't leave out the foolish qualifier.
Drives me mad when I hear people say that consistency is the hobgoblin.

Let me know when you're around.

 

Paul Bracq?

He sure is my favorite painter of automotive subjects. And Dexter Brown of course.

 

George Bracq.

Paul did at least one great BMW with some cubist influence but as far as I know they weren't related.

 

I can not speak for anyone else, but I do not hate Ferrari. I dislike the people that run Ferrari.

The person of which you speak has probably done more to positively promote the Ferrari name than even Ferrari itself has done. You need to review history.

 

or you do, looking at that statement.

 

Really? Have you not heard that the Enzo, the Scuderia and the 458 achieve the same Fiorano lap time? Given that Fiorano so slow, the Enzo would be much quicker round a normal track!

 

+10000

 

Sorry, that $15 is too much too pay too support this site, I see you constantly jumping down peoples throats if they criticize Ferrari, how long you been on here? By the way do you even own a Ferrari? Another good reason for the Ignore Function.

 

I doubt there is much 'low rent' property in Bournemouth unless you bought there before the war.
CH

 

so tiresome weeding through all these bickering posts ...so back on topic how about?!

large degree of anti-dive built into that front UCA

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Gents,

We need to appreciate what wonderful times in the supercar/hypercar world we are currently in.

Everyone on Fchat + MacLife loves their respective brand and exotic of choice, each manufacturer pushing the limits in design, technology, innovation and extreme peformance.

Hats off to McLaren for their vision and more importantly entering the supercar world, the P1 will divide opinion in the way it looks, but you have to admire how they have applied all their F1 kowhow into the P1, just as Ferrari will do so with the "F70"

To me it's about the emotional dividend driving my 458 gives, everytime I'm not dissapointed.

If you own a 12C, you would be salivating at the P1, it's downforce capabilities, it's extreme aerodynamics delivered by the wind tunnel, the same will be granted when the new Enzo debuts.

In my July visit to Maranello, I was very fortunate to see the mule F70 driven around the streets by chance, wow what a sound, more devilish and aggressive than the F12's I saw and heard during my stay.

We are in for one hell of a treat soon, we need each brand to strive for the best, we can only benefit when it's time to trade up

I'll say one thing more, Ferrari with all it's history, DNA dialled into F1, sexy exotic designs and how they sound and look in motion, how you feel when you drive one, wonderful emotions, BUT......... I like and respect what I see out of Woking.

 

I think most would agree that the McLaren F1 is a true super car. It's amazing acceleration, very high top speed, raw engine/sound, and center seating position all contribute to that.

But does anyone know its time on the Ring? Could it even break 8 minutes? Does anyone care?

Same for the Veyron. In my opinion, top speed and acceleration are going to be the performance numbers the buyers ask for, not Ring time.

 

Sorry, you make no sense.

 

Hey, he just asked a question and, if we're honest, he said what a lot of us here we're thinking. Look at his post history in this thread - It's blatantly obvious that Napolis is not on the best terms with Ferrari and he has a bone to pick with them so to speak. His P4/5 C ring time is completely irrelevant to what we're talking about as is the time the 599XX lapped the ring.

Who really cares if the McLaren ends up lapping the ring 1 or 2 seconds faster than the F70? Seriously, who the **** cares? While we're making pointless predictions based on hear say and nothing more, the chances are that even if the Ferrari is marginally slower on paper, it will still be the drivers and critics favorite. I'll bet money that every reputable motoring journalist will agree that the Ferrari F70 will be more involving, more fun to drive, better handling and better looking than this McLaren.

Like I said, I'm just basing all of this on hear say and personal opinion, nothing more - the same thing Napolis is doing regarding the pointless Ring times. Oh no! The P1 is 2 seconds faster around the Nurburgring! Better cancel that F70 deposit now.. Get a grip.

PS. Senna1994 - Napolis can speak for himself, there's no need for you to constantly attack and patronize everyone that questions his thoughts on the subject. Your posts are overly aggressive and belittling, it's totally unnecessary.

+1.

 

+100000
Just to add, that passion and personal taste are still thank God - FREE. One doesn't need to spend $15 on subscription (altho I do) or to own a Ferrari to have a passion for them and a personal opinion about their design.

 

Personal insults and insinuations. This is just pathetic really. I defended him because he has the right to express himself, whether you like it or not. The internet is supposed to be classless. Whatever anyone says should only be judged just by the point he is making.

 

+1. If I were lucky enough to be offered both and could afford either, my decision would have nothing whatsoever to do with Ring times. Whilst I like to think I know how to drive, I could not get even close to a comparable time in either car. My decision will be based on many other issues, very few of which relate to Ring times which personally I find irrelevant. Yes the Nissan GTR scorches round under 8 minutes. Do I ever want one-no thank you. If the F70 were to be 10 or more seconds slower that the P1 round the Ring, but sounds as it should and looks the part and sets my spine tingling, frankly the P1 would not get a look in. If it does not achieve that tingle then maybe the P1 will, but the Ring time won't impact on my hypothetical decision. Regardless as an enthusiastic fast driver but non racer, Ring times, within reason, are an irrelevance especially at this level as we know both cars will be blindingly quick and truly amazing and way beyond most of our capabilities, but when it came to a choice, we're I to be so lucky, so many other factors would take priority.

 

A race version of the F1 Finished First Overall at LeMans and some do care about that.

Veyron's handle pretty well for their amazing bulk but to me they're more of an Engineering exercise than a car.

 

The W duct that Mercedes came up with was spectacular engineering.

 

There was not much LMP competition that year. Not to take anything away from the F1, but Ferrari's have finished first in their class as well.

 

At this level of performance Vmax is strictly academic. Makes for great bragging rights though.
We've reached the point where even their acceleration can not be accessed fully on the street.

Lap times at a circuit like the Ring are a better representation of a car's total performance envelope than any one parameter and are the best at approximating a car's A to B capabilities.

In the end these cars are mostly about fantasy. If one suits your dream better than another that may be all that counts.

 

Have you ever driven any of the cars your opining about? Having driven a high downforce car in the rain I really doubt you have.

Your statement that downforce doesn't matter on road cars is very silly. Engineers strive to increase downforce on SUV's not to mention Sportscars. Dive a Bentley on the road at with it's rear wing up. Switch it down. Report back. Back to back impression's interest me. Drive an Enzo at speed on an F1 track then drive Ferrari P4/5 by Pininfarina. Report back. I have, Jackie Ickx has and both of us noticed a difference based on downforce. That's a race course you say? Many of us drive our street cars on track days. For those who own Ferrari Supercars with less mileage put on them over 24 years than ones I own that I've driven further on the road in two hours I agree that downforce on the road or on a trackday isn't an issue.

Ferrari offered to sell us race parts directly. After they saw the Publicity P 4/5 C was getting they changed their mind. This was a non issue. A major Ferrari race team and many others were more than happy to sell us race parts. As we eventually re engineered virtually every part of our car this became meaningless. The funny thing was after I removed the Ferrari nose badge and became an Official Constructor Ferrari asked me why I did that. Perhaps they realized that SCG not Ferrari was going to win an FIA World Championship this year.

Ferrari and I have had spirited discussions for many years. The last time I was at the Factory they paid for lunch. As they said then. "If you're happy I'm happy." Ted West's article in Car and Driver about Ferrari, Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina and I was accurate in this regard. My annoyance with them about the crappy valve guides they engineered for my 275 GTB has nothing to do with my thinking that the McLaren P12 is a very impressive piece of kit. Absolutely nothing and your statement that Ferrari's changing it's mind about selling me spare racing parts directly is influencing my liking McLaren's is absurd. Have you ever been to an Italian family gathering? Screaming at each other is simply a way to work up an appetite for what really matters which is the food you're about to share.

 

nice videos of the p1
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No, I drive a diesel-powered Peugeot. Fine at Le Mans, but on the road you really can't get more humble than that. I do not know aerodynamics, apart from the very basic stuff. And in terms of the basics: if manufacturers really strive for as much downforce as possible, why don't we see huge rearwings on the road? Why does suffice Ferrari with a neatly designed and executed aerobridge in the F12?

Well, seeing the amount of original design and engineering that was put into P4/5C, it wouldn't really be fair for Ferrari to claim that championship, even if you did race under their banner. I was under the impression Ferrari weren't really that keen on having the car raced under their name, since it is an operation beyond their control. Other than that, do you really believe this particular championship is of true value to a major manufacturer? Perhaps in years to come, but I doubt their will be much press reporting about it. Even the WEC championship, that Ferrari clinched yesterday in Bahrain, doesn't set the internet on fire.

I really don't know anything about dealing with Ferrari, nor do I think I ever will. I just notice how you praise P12 (or P1, which is it?) by commenting how rubish the cars from Maranello are. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but as far as I can tell (and indeed, that is nowhere near as far as you can see) they always seem to deliver the goods. Both the 458 and the F12 are benchmarkers in their class and even the FF seems to provide one hell of a drive combined with super praticallity.