THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Sorry if I came off aggressive, as anyone who has met Jim or has followed his exploits on the track, I wanted to put in my .2 cents. I feel his restorations of the older Ferraris for Preservation purposes and other Historic Cars are second to None. I apologize if I came off Patronizing.

Your correct about the feeling you get when you drive these cars, as what is nice about owning a McLaren and a Ferrari is the different feel you get in both of these cars. As far as what Journalist have to say, there will always be a Bias towards one Badge or the other. I think the best and most relevant method of measure is spending time with these cars for a sustained period, not only on a race track, but in actual usage. We are lucky to live in a time to have such great cars available for sale (even better when the 918 comes out), some on here are even luckier to be able to own these cars rather than getting only different Journalist's opinions and can make up there own mind.

 

Even though I wholeheartedly agree with you, I have a good mate who owns everything from a Ferrari to a Toyota iQ but he cannot tell the difference in the steering feel of any! Honestly! He is a joy at the pub but at the track we just pat him on the back. Thus, owner feeling says nothing to me. Not wanting to sound like Raikkonen or Vatanen, but I can discern the difference between a hydraulic and an electric steering rack. Hell, I can even tell that my E-Type has a non assisted steering.

 

Always liked what you had to say, but that thing about non subscribers and people who don't own ferraris being ignored wasn't nice (haha even if it wasn't about me), you don't need it to appreciate and be a fan of the brand. ps- i've never even sat in a moving ferrari lol

 

To be honest the car was driven by ex F1 racing driver Andrea Montermini (so not Maurizio Giani Quattroruote Chief test driver) and for Italian version of Top Gear.
The cars was on Stock Pirelli P-Zero, engine mapping I don't know ...
Lap time 1:12,00
The Aventador did 1:13,9 the Mp4-12c in 1:14,8 ...
Very Impressive.

 

Sorry, I came off as a complete and arrogant jerk. The passion one has for the brand is not measured by the $'s or the cars they own, if so we would not have the Tifosi that shows up at Monza every year, I felt Jim was not getting a fair shake for his contributions to F-Chat.

 

Impressive indeed mate. Even though a different driver can make a hell of a difference. Thank you once again.

 

They list both the cups and championships under championships on their site..

By your logic the FIA European Touring Car Cup is a world championship, sorry but neither it nor the Alternate Energies Cup deserve, or have that title..

See the diff between FIA World Touring Car Championship and FIA European Touring Car Cup... one has the tilte World championship in it's name clearly indicating what it is, the other does not

What are facts in the way of a little PR...

 

One thing to keep in mind about those P Zero's. Pirelli uses Pagani to develop them at the Ring and that give Pagani a lot of data and ability to tune.

The fit and finish is fantastic on Pagani's but your E type is a lot more beautiful even if it's in the need of serious engineering remediation.

 

+1. After looking back through this thread I really have to ask - what does P4/5 C have to do with the F70/Enzo replacement? How is it at all relevant to what we're supposed to be talking about? It's a great project, I'm a fan of the P4/5 C page on Facebook and I like getting the latest updates there and in the racing section, but it really has no place in this thread.

I think Rob Lay has recently talked about creating a new subscribed forum/sub-forum which would require that the members must actually own (or have previously owned) a Ferrari or other exotic car. If any Ferrari owners involved in this discussion that feel that opinions aren't valid unless the person has paid for a subscription and owns a $250k car, you should really go to Rob Lay and push for his idea, then you won't have to scan through worthless opinions from the rest of us nobodies anymore.

This is true - while the P1 (as well as the 918 Spyder, Huayra, etc) is somewhat relevant in this discussion, all of the pointless bickering about McLaren at Le Mans, P4/5 C lap times and the constant digs at Ferrari have totally ruined this thread.

 

Now that is Funny! Thanks for being cool, again apologies for being an arrogant jerk with my post yesterday!. Love the E-Type!

 

True, it will be really interesting to see how all this new generation of supercars compare to each other this time around. It will be a lot closer than the last time and I don't really think one will prevail and be the clear winner in the same way the Enzo was a few years back when it went up against the CGT, SLR, Zonda, etc.

Truth be told, I enjoy and am far more interested in reading the owners comparisons on F-Chat more than the magazine group tests.

 

If you can't understand that when The FIA lists something on their official website very clearly under the heading of "Championships" that The FIA consideres what THEY have listed under the heading of Championships to be an FIA Championship I can't help you.

The relevance to this thread of this particular FIA Championship remains that the only FIA Championship that The New Enzo, The Porsche 918 and the McLaren P12 are elegible to compete in is the one we'll likely win this year. In the Future it's likely Porsche and McLaren will enter this Championship but Ferrari's choice of a V12 makes The New Enzo very unlikely to enter much less win the only FIA Championship that it will be elegible to compete in. Ferrari's Top of the line SuperCars used to be built to be able to race even if only the F40 really did. Even the Enzo was although Ferrari's arrogance in making it too wide for ACO rules and thinking the ACO would cave to have it at Le Mans didn't pan out, the Enzo with a lengthened wheelbase and other changes Badged as a Maserati was allowed to run in GT1 where it did very well, this time by choosing a V12 instead of a TTV8 Ferrari has ensured that the New Enzo will never seriously race anywhere.

Porsche, McLaren and Ferrari have all chosen to built their TOP of The Line Hypercars as Alternate Energy Hybrids and Porsche and McLaren have chosen to make their Hypercars Race Legal and possible contenders. Ferrari no longer seems to care about making their Top of The Line Hypercar a Race Contender and those who buy it obviously don't care either. Things change and buyers buy what they want to.

All is good.

 

After a great thread got somewhat derailed, an opportunity to start afresh and hopefully stay on track charting the progress of the F70 over the coming months.

 

It's so nice to speak under normal terms mate.

I am aware of Pagani's relationship with Pirelli. Then again, all the F1 teams have a great relationship with the Milanese tyre firm also.

The best new tyres I have tried are the new P Zeros. Be it on a Ferrari or a Civic Type R timing at Rally Special Stage. Good fun indeed!

My E type is on vintage Michelins. Grip is NOT a given. Hehehe...

 

You are welcome.

Luque

 

We are good mate. I am here to make friends, as long as they feel like that also.

 

You don't want too much grip on an E Type unless it's not running wire wheels...

We're testing next week at Imola with Dunlop as their new tires are doing very well at The Ring. If all goes well we'll likely switch from Michelin.

 

Keep us posted lad. The blokes at Dunlop are top notch.

 

Completely understandable. JG has done a huge amount of PR for Ferrari and I have immense respect for him as a collector and enthusiast. His P4/5 is both beautiful and technical advanced. That's great for him, good for us and also good for Ferrari.

However, his arguments are getting tiresome. Firstly, he is making it seem like the NS is the only track worth noting and the absolute benchmark in the world. And it is a great track, I've driven it, but it certainly has its disadvantages too. It is definitely more suitable for some cars than others but that doesn't mean they are better on other tracks or the superior car.

Secondly, this constant self promoting of the P4/5 C is just too much. I wish that car all the best though as it looks fantastic and presumably drives like a pearl.

Thirdly, this is all just speculating and we really don't know if the P1 (not the called P12 BTW) will be faster than the F70 as none of them are in production yet. Let's wait and see. Exiciting times for sure.

And I also think it is important to remember that the times have changed. Ferrari is mostly focusing on F1 and within good reason. The F70 is properly not going to race in the FIA Championship but that doesn't make it any less of (hopefully) a marvellous piece of automotive engineering. One could blame Ferrari for not making a "racing car for the road" aimed to compete at said championship or one could blame the current regulations.

In the end though, I can't help feeling letdown by McLaren - especially since this car is the descendant of the legendary F1.

The engineering might be impressive but the aesthetics... My God, it looks like a car made by the design team from Oakley.