THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

it would be cool if that valve tech was introduced to road cars by Ferrari. however, it's not necessary. 'convential' cam and valve/valve spring allow engines to spin past 14k without running into problems with valve float, nevermind the excessive stress on components. advances in coatings and metallurgy have allowed new engines to rev quicker and higher while maintaining good reliability. the F70 should redline at 9k, if not very very close to it. DLC and other carbon coatings have become the standard, when they were once reserved for race motors, and going forward we'll see more and more engines incorporate such things..

 

remember, LFA V10 redlines at 9k, but fuel cutoff is 9,500rpm! 10k rpm reliably in supercar engines was possible yesterday it just comes down to how much $ they are willing to put into it vs how much they want to get out of it. in other words, same ol same ol at Ferrari

 

Tool said it was the 599 engine with kers

Current rumour is that the F70 will use a larger version of the F12 engine around 7.3L and being an evolution in other terms also

 

My quick points.

1. The F70 will be a flagship product that makes a very good ROI in posters, game-rights, models and LEGO cross-overs. Homer Simpson could design this car and this point will still hold.

2. The F70 will encourage a new generation of Ferrari fans, following the casual news of drivers and road-crossover product. This happened with the Testarossa and the Enzo, both of which would have minimal tracking race involvement. Miami Vice and Charlie's Angels, Need for Speed and Forza will have done more to grow the brand's licencing revenue and new-sales revenue than any FIA category outside of F1.

3. Ferrari is a very strong and recognizable brand. They have continued to approach their business understanding supply and demand, while opening new markets faster than most traditional US and European niche or bulk manufacturers. Ferrari will not choose their F1 drivers based on FChat comments, and they will not design their licencing-flagship from FChat comments.

 

Or, you could say it's generous of Jim to invite us to live vicariously (and quite possibly victoriously) via his competition effort. Think of the money you're saving!

 

Does anybody else think the frontal hole in the tub means 4rm on the f70?

 

7.3 ? I'm afraid that we can only dream about it

 

I just hope they don;t post their press pics before the launch, cause ever since the Enzo their release pics were butt ugly while the cars were gorgeous

 

perhaps a preview of the engine noise [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1CWKtWN3k[/ame] listen to the drive by @ 35s

 

one can only dream, hope that it sounds as good as Zonda R (or any of the latest run Zonda's). Sounding like the Sp's wouldn't be a bad consolation

 

Time will tell all....

 

Talk about being out of touch. With F1 heading to 1.6L and Ferrari needing to big up the F1 links, a 7.3L monster engine would be a huge (quite literally) mistake.

 

That's the number that's been floated since the v12 was confirmed...

1.6 turbos which most teams were fighting at the time.. I think its a total joke 1.6 cost saving might as well races minis or something I love F1 but over the last 5 years its lost so much magic

the f12 is a 6.3 and Ferrari will want a lot more power for the f70 800-900 then about 200 more with Kers if Ferrari don't go for big numbers what's the point of the v12 they would have gone

Not only will it be powerful, Ferrari has pushed the fact that the new powertrain will reduce fuel consumption by as much as 30 per cent, and produce around 40 per cent less emissions than an equivalent petrol-only engine with the same power.

 

I saw a picture of a uncovered body from inside the factory. I only saw front top, roof and back top. But it will have the same lines as the F12

 

Personally I doubt the 7.3 litres that many publications speculate on; I reckon a slightly bored out version of the current V12, perhaps at 6.5 litres. Then again I am happy that Ferrari keeps the big V12! I am afraid that the 1.6 litre turbos in F1 will be weedy little things compared to the current brawny V8s. Not only in terms of power (they will have some 100 hp less than the V8s) but also in terms of sound. Nothing compares to a big, high revving V12.

 

I suspect It'll be a brand new engine....

 

How is that possible for a front engined car to have the same lines as a mid engine??

 

Meanwhile in Formula 1:

"I listened to the noise of the engines in Maranello the other day, the new engine and the old engine, and even Luca di Montezemolo said it sounded terrible and didn't like it," Ecclestone told the Hindustan Times.
http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213...-of-V6-engines

I guess we should be really glad that the new Enzo will have a N/A screamer of a thoroughbred V12 instead of a small turbocharged mongrel.

 

how much weight do you feel could be taken out of the Veyron?

 

It would not surprise me if he cans it.

To me, whilst the P1 might be a truly wonderful car and capable of extraordinary lap times, the sound of a turbo muffled V8 just wont do it. I would accept a slower lap time just for the howl of a cutting edge V10 or 12. They may be dinosaurs, but then why is everyone still fascinated by them? You only have to look at the reviews of the Lexus V10 to see how important an element of a supercar or hypercar the engine note is. Why are manufacturers actively piping engine sounds into the cockpit and giving silent electric motors their petrol brothers soundtrack? It is all part, an important part, of the character and experience of extreme cars.

 

People think I'm trolling when I share this opinion...

 

I agree with these opinions too, mainly because I am of the opinion that hypercars are, by definition, indulgent, and therefore ought to be products of companies' wild imaginations. If they want to say these cars are engineering exercises, whatever. Truth is there are very few places on this earth where you can drive these cars to their top speed, or where you can truly savour their exquisite handling etc... So I personally value the aesthetic and emotional aspect of these vehicles over statistical performance advantages. Give me a howling pre-historic V12 over anything electric, any day. I don't care about the effects it will have on the environment, honestly. If I'm spending that much dough on a car, I want it to give me the feeling it is truly unique, both aesthetically and organically.

 

For me NA exotic engines do something physically/emotionally, even an old DB9 can give me spine tingling chills down my back... never had a turbo'd engine do that.

But hey I guess if my "thing" was blow off valves etc maybe I would get that chill.

Long live the NA high rev'ers!

 

Believe me. It has the same air ducts above the wheel like the F12, de cabin is pretty small on the picture.. but is going to be awesome!

 

You mean the air bridge?