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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. smglop

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    Where does the Sheldon Brooks car fit in? I thought that was the 1st.
     
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  4. grngryoutmyway

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    I get excited to come on the forum and see multiple pages added to this thread... however it always seems that an arguement broke out and the majority of the threads are uninformative cannon fodder.


    The candy red car could be a reasonable deal for someone who is ok with the paint and looking for a driver... assuming there are no other major issues. Re do the bumpers (which has to happen on most cars anyways) and re upholster the console and there are some the would not be ashamed to drive it. Obviously there will be more requirements so a PPI would be in order to make sure there are no major issues.

    For someone looking for concourse investment grade quality the car is already overpriced to be fixed proper.



    Is the "prototype" car having an engine out done by the same guy that was trying to sell it for 340k? Curious if something happened, or if this is to negotiate a better selling position?
     
  5. roytoy2003

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    A side note here..TIME frame DOES not matter...IF to begin with the car is here or came here in-correctly or not documented or illegal..its not like a

    "olley olley auction free free free"

    If started off wrong..it CAN be siezed even AFTER the time frame..

    It HAS happened and it can and will happen again...on the other hand they are not out there looking for them..it normally happens when they stumble across it due to some other investigation, tax evasion, drug siezure etc etc..
     
  6. Jet-X

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    Saw this picture on another forum, but lined back to Classic Car website.

    My question: that is a 25th Anniversary car, but the seats look like a hybrid between the original banana seats in the Countach and the more modern 2 piece units in the Anniversary. Was this ever a factory option?
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  7. raymondQV

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    FactorySport seats, rare and very asked.
     
  8. phrogs

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    Ah missed the mention of the paint job I must have been more focused on that odd bumper insert that was installed.
     
  9. blown daytona

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  11. ken qv

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    Ahh ok,.... Thanks Roy. That makes sense.
     
  12. Taurean Bull

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    I don't understand what the statute of limitations is on this, and I think it's BS that they would do it.

    Reminds me of the people who had $80M worth of gold seized recently. What gives the GOV'T the right to seize after 80 years? Wasn't stolen, just didn't adhere to their arbitrary nonsense at the time.
     
  13. SAB

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  14. joe sackey

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    Yes.
     
  15. joe sackey

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    Yet another car that proves that the story of the 1982 silver/blue LP500S is the first USA legal Countach is just uniformed baloney being espoused by those short on historical accuracy and long on JCL attributes.

    Even if some 75, 76, 77, 78, 78, 79, 80, & 81 cars didn't have the work actually done, or had it removed thereafter, we all know some that did, and still exist in compliance configuration today, again proving that the story of of the 1982 car espoused by JDBQV is utter BS.

    Below is 1121058, a 1979 build USA EPA legal car.
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  16. joe sackey

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    True.

    Same with Diablo variants not homologated for the road in the USA, have not had USA compliance done, and yet have "somehow" been titled and are being used on the roads. Its all a matter of motivation.
     
  17. joe sackey

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    Chad, if you speak to Dick Merritt in Washington DC (as I often do) he will tell you that the only reason a seizure will occur is if there is an aggrieved third party who instigates same. That party may be an individual, or, the Government itself as a result of an incident, investigation, or other issue. Generally speaking, if the car is over 21 years, they dont care. That covers every Countach in existence.
     
  18. smglop

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    Thanks! I wonder what we would all do without Dick Merritt. He has given a lot of owners piece of mind over the years.
     
  19. joe sackey

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    Yes, a valuable contact and true enthusiast.
     
  20. gday

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    ”The disputed double eagles were not lawfully removed from the United States Mint and … remain the property of the United States.”

    -mick
     
  21. AIR4C 1

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    Joe, you were asked to provide EPA documents and you did. Sounds to me like you know what you speak of in this case and its' now a matter of interpretation of the word "legal".
     
  22. roytoy2003

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    Correct..as well as numerous others here on "Dealer" plates and the like..as well as a quite a few I know that have just never ever been titled, licensed or any type of tax what so ever been paid...goes for Lamorghini's, Ferrari's as well as some Porches cars that have had this done. As well as cars "brokered" as well as sold by "Dealers" to customers and assit in this type of action around the long way to get a sale completed.

    Then there are those that have circumvented the entire process by going through a "Private" company such as "Get a Title" out of Maine. I dont think ANYONE that has dealth in these cars one way or another has "clean hands"...he who is with out sin throw the first stone as it is said.

    The fact of the matter is, if you want a car here in the States...it can be done..as with the recent import of a 1993 Bugatti EB110, shipped from Fance to Vancouver B.C., then driven across the boarder on "Temp" plates and currently sits in a nice collection with no intention of ever being licensed for the road, yet it is operated on the road from time to time with "Trip temp permit".

    So, if you want it bad enough, it can be done...

    The MAJOR issue is if God forbid you have an accident, your fault or not, that causes great injury or death..sure your insurance and umbrella policy may cover it..but you run an extremely high risk of being charged criminaly in a case such as this..

    As, in one such case, and a conviction was up-held, that under lying issue was that had the car NOT been here and that it was here illegaly...there never would have been an incident resulting in injury and or death. In the case I am aware of, the civil side was taken care of by their "collector car" insurance...BUT the criminal side ended in loss of license, $2500.00 fine, 365 days in jail with 335 suspended and 10 years probation...as well as a lifetime criminal record and an almost impossible situation to ever obtain insurance on an automobile again.

    We all take chances and risk in our lifes..it is what ones YOU choose to take...and the fact that you may have not done it direct, but just the fact that you assited or facilitated a person in getting it done does NOT release you of the liablty.
     
  23. roytoy2003

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    110% correct..they have better things to do..

    as Dick has told me quite a few times:

    "Pay your taxes and dont deal in drugs to get the DEA involved and I will never see you"

    Also of note, it is warned that car such as this, MAY be looked the other way and left alone, but UNDER no circumstances can the re-sale in the USA..if they are to be sold...sell them out of the country...
     
  24. joe sackey

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    Jeff, this matter isn't even an issue as the car featured in this post proves.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141812864&postcount=15165
    In fact, this car was made USA legal by the FACTORY.
    I always knew that the claim of that 1982 car as being the "first" legal USA Countach was a false one. I never had any reason to make the point until the matter was presented here. As always, these threads are informative and help us learn. That's all that matters.
     
  25. roytoy2003

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    Exactly...and that is why we have Courts. There will always be two people that view the written word in different light..as for this matter I have no idea..and to be quite frank could care less..if its a nice car and its fun..I would buy it and drive it no matter what...I do think that there is truth to the "it got slid by" with a privater doing some quick paperwork on a lot of these cars..after all if you knew the system and you worked it..you can get anything done..I for one see no extra value in a car if it was the first or the last EPA approved 'Legal" car..if you have the paperwork....well thats all the owner cares about and he/she is good to go...regardless of how it was obtained.

    I dont think there is a single Countach owner here that is concerned if their car was or was not "tested" direct..all they care about is they have the paperwork, its licensed and they are driving it..

    If I am wrong would the first owner of one of these that is truly worried if it was actualy TESTED or not...PLEASE return your car immediatley to EPA for a test...LOL LOL
     

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