The Massa Sucks Thread *OF COURSE THERE ARE SPOILERS*

Oh boy, I really cannot believe you have posted that, it is the most insane comment I have read on here for years, well done.

If you think that corrupt bastrd Mosley did anything fair and square, I suggest a trip to the doctors.

 

Here is the what Fernando has to say about Massa since you brought up the stats.

-Fernando Alonso recently admitted that he prefers having Massa as a team-mate than some of the "little names" who have mentioned. -

FA is the hero of many here and prefers Massa. So much for the stats. He races with Felipe and doesnt quite care for the potential replacements mentioned. I think he has done well enough to get another year and there is ZERO proof anyone will drive this difficult car better and be the 'team' member FA prefers.

If they replace him life goes on, and Felipe has a worthy record wearing red, that so many aspire to and never achieve. I respect him no matter what the venom is poured in this thread.
Im no great fan of FA but I would never call him the names vented upon Felipe here. Pathetic.

 

I fail to comprehend why that's done about any driver, actually.

 

I wish I had written that. 100% agree with all you say.

 

Im sure in my own posts I am guilty but not with some of the vulgar names Ive seen. Ive made a concerted effort to not do that. Alas Im only human and will fail eventually. We do get emotional

 

Take an asprin and try to control yourself

 

Insane is the fact that you can´t see anything else than hamilton...the fact that you like him so much, does not mean he didn´t screw up big time.
You don´t like my post that´s you problem, try read some of your´s and you will find true insanity.....and just for the record, if instead of Mosley FIA had a real president not totaly biased twards english tea´s and drivers, Mclaren would not even been competing in 2008 and both Mac drivers would have been disqualified in 2007, that´s how insane it was.

 

This thread is for Massa, so no point in getting side tracked.

Read up on the recent history of the sport, and delve a little deeper into just how Mosley operated, then you may realize.

 

I think i´ve red and watched enough thanks....as for Mosley, his days of harming F.1 are finaly gone.....Luca put an end to it. But he was not the only one, Balestre also did a lot of bad things, and i held him higly responsible for the accident that killed Gilles, because everyone was complaining about those stupid qualifying tyres and those stupid wing-cars and the FIA didn´t give a rat´s ass about it...only after Gilles was Killed and Pironi nearly died they decided to end the whole thing. Mosley biggest stupidty in my mind was to banish slick tyres....the worst idea in the world, and that was one of the main reasons because we had so litle overtaking during his years.....baning testing was another idiot one.....damn, i missed the days when F.1 was free of all this crap, i remenber when they started to force people to wear a badge in order to enter pitlane, and Fittipaldi´s wife was timing his husband not wearing one....Mosley went to her and was trying to get her atention, telling her she could not be there without a badge...lolo, Wilson Fittipaldi grabbed him by the shirt was asked "What the **** do you want?" with a trethning look...Mosley just said..."nothing!"...turned back and didn´t bother her anymore!!!

 

see massa does not suck stupid rules and idiot dictators in F1 does!
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Pironi effectively killed Gilles by not following team orders in previous race ... nothing to do with the cars. Balestre was a million times better than Mosley.
Pete

 

Agreed, Balestre was 1.000000 times better than teh sadonazi but you are wrong in the second part, The cars had everything to do with Gilles death. Obviously Pironi started the whole thing but we can´t be sure Gilles would not have tried the same move on Mass if everything was ok. I guess bad luck played a trick on him...during all reces untill Zolder, Gille shad been quicker than Pironi by about 1 to 1,5 secons in Qualifying!!! And just that day, Pironi was able to go maginaly quicker!!! Had Gilles been in front, perhaps this would not have happened. TRuth is and contrary to what many believe or sai, Gilles had already finished Qualifying, Mauro Forghieri said he showed Gilles the "IN" board when he passed in front of the pitlane, his tyres where finished and there was no way he could improve on that.....Gilles was coming in, not trying to put a fast lap. Problem was GIlles always drove the same way, qualifying or not, and Mass on a slowing lap was simply a mobile chicane in his way (curiously, Mass had already been adverted by other drivers during a briefing the day before that he should not circulate that slow..that´s way Lauda pointed him as the responsible for the accident). Qualifying tyres only lasted for 2 or 3 laps, so drivers had to take huge risks because yhey couls not afford to abort a lap, so if they founs someone in the way, the had to take a huge gamble and pass him without loosing time. The cars where also a big part because when the skirts where touching the ground, the car would have enormous grip but if for some rason lifted a litle and the skirsts lost contact with the tarmac the would easily become airborn....that´s what happened with Gilles, Pironi or Winckelock in an f2 race.

 

What I've read was he was incensed that Pironi was faster than him and had ignored the IN signal.

In the end Gilles and all other drivers knew about the tyres and aero properties of the cars. The real blame is Mass, but Gilles should not have had his foot hard in still ... I believe he did because of Pironi.

Anyway a great driver was lost ...
Pete

 

The Ferrari F1 Team have tweeted a couple of weird things today:

https://twitter.com/InsideFerrari

Does this mean they are extending Massa's contract?

 

I'm glad you wrote this follow up post to the previous one where you said Pironi killed Gilles.

Yes, Pironi was a bastard to ignore the gentlemen's agreement at Imola and that gave him the victory, pissed off Gilles and caused Gilles to take an insane risk at Zandvoort.

The accident itself was down to a bumbling Mass and Gilles driving with road rage where it no longer mattered (he lost pole and the set of tires he had on was IIRC a combination of used ones).

It was totally senseless and Gilles is as much to blame for it as is Mass or Pironi.

RIP Gilles


After these messages we return to our regularly scheduled program of Massa bashing.

 

....The best of all times im IMO
Ps: By the way, did you know that just a couple of years ago, melanie (Gilles daughter) aproched Mass during a g.p and told him "it wasn´t your fault".

 

Zolder not Zandvoort. Wish Ferrari would name the new supercar after GV as it is 30 years.

Massa will get a good result here and will be renewed for 2013.

 

Arrgh, my bad.

My apologies.

 

...And congratulations, seem´s like you´ll get to keep this thread for another year

 

Don't let it happen again lol. Pironi did win at zandvoort that year however. It was his last gp victory I believe.

 

That was a nice thing to do.
Pete

 

Gilles was a very moralistic (not sure if that is the right word) and had been wronged and was emotionally incensed, and thus was never going to make sensible or the right decisions. In a way it was Pironi's fault, why did he not follow team orders?, heck they were not really racing, just 4 cars running a display as the English teams had striked.
Pete
ps: This was Gilles weakness unfortunately ...

 

"Hey, officer, it was not fault that I ran over that guy. Blame my girlfriend. She left me and that´s the reason I was driving drunk."

 

All true.
Gilles could have won the 79 WDC but stood by his word and didn't challenge Jody in Monza. He expected similar behavior from Pironi and didn't get it.

It happens. Last famous one I remember was Hamilton breaking the deal at Hungary, which incensed Alonso and led to his whistle blowing. And the rest was Stepneygate's history.

 

Last Month's Motorsport had a copy of his first contract with McLaren.
Interesting seeing how things have changed.