2012 F1 KOREAN STYLE GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

simply redbull have the fastest car that spoiling alonzo and ferrari's day, redbull too have their own share of downs

its just a matter of time alonzo will lose the lead with webber so strong now helping vettel and its faster with alonzo dnf last week

 

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Massa could've taken the fight to webber without a doubt, his pace was equal to faster than Webber if not having been told to back off Alo. Great drive for him, I think it's certain he has saved his 2013 race seat.

 

Well, that's one thing I won't miss about Speed's coverage:
The yellow is finally clear; things are about to happen ... so let's go to commercial break.

Now will the even the Alonso fans recognize that Ferrari has been pulling cars into the box at bad times?
And sending them out into traffic?
(How many times have we seen Massa pit stopped into traffic?)

That seems to have disheartened Alonso.

And then ...

"Back off; you're scaring the baby."

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some office politics going on at Ferrari.
"You want Felipe away from Fernando? Fine -- but nobody will take points from his competitors. Is that what you really want?"
And today we got the answer: Yes, that's what Fernando wants.

Every time Felipe gets where Alonso can see him, Fred forgets the competition, and gets hyper about beating his teammate.

Even the Speed commentators wondered why Ferrari didn't send Massa up to catch Webber.
From second, Felipe could have slowed up Webber enough to let Alonso catch up.

That was also not one of Phil's typical good starts, too --- since he had orders to stay behind Alonso.

Somebody tell Alonso -- it's a team sport.

Oh, and stop pulling on Ham's thread -- he's unraveling.
Lewis: it's not the lawnmower GP.
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Great post. Ferrari have alot of work to do. Red Bull have it right - Let them race. Today in that regime more than likely FA would have been behind his team mate. Been awhile since he faced that and frankly it would be good for him!

 

That's ridiculous.....even Massa agreed that every point is vital for Alonso now. It would have been stupid of Ferrari for Massa to finish ahead of Alonso.

 

Reliability problems and driver error, not bad luck like Alonso at Spa. Karma has been on Vettel's side.

Hope that Ferrari will be more lucky and faster from now on to have some entertainment in the remaining races.

 

I would say the alternator failing is pretty bad luck.

Japan was mostly Alonso's own fault.

 

Its over folks for Alonso unless the team pull some magic development out of the hat. In fairness apart from Japan Alonso has consistentley got the max from the car. The other option is to pray for the rain and alternator Gods!

 

Yes, every point is vital. But Felipe had the pace to catch Webber, and Alonso didn't.
Felipe could have caught Webber and even just battling for position would have slowed them enough to let Alonso catch up.

Second is more points than third.

This is the part of the season where it's a team sport.

And we already know Massa will let Alonso go by.

Funny how Alonso won't let Massa by, even when "Felipe Is Faster Than You" -- and it was in Ferrari's interest to have *somebody* catch the Red Bulls.

 

Great drive from Massa........Just in case nobody else mentions it !!

 

An alternator breaking is not bad luck. It's something doing kaboom. And then doing kaboom again. The Ferraris had their small share of reliability problems too (Monza) and bad luck with Raikkonen spinning at Suzuka qualy.

Anyway, the speed is the key right now.

 

I find that logic ridiculous.

and the red bulls were cruising. Massa might have got past Alonso, but interfering with Webber's race is something else again. Just a big waste of time trying, IMO

 

redbull got everything under control even the tyre, even massa pass alonzo he wouldnt have a chance going at webber

redbull are clever in playing these games, look slow at some stages but they would still have something extra

 

1st time It was definitely bad luck. They should have improved it. I don't see how a broken arb and Kimi spinning in quali have that much to do with actual end reaults in the race; if you remember Alonso scored well in Italy...

 

You certainly can't catch if you give up and don't try.

I take it you won't be watching the rest of the season, having already written it off?

 

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

First, there is no telling of Massa would have been quicker than Webber.

Second, Massa catching Webber, while both of them are running ahead of Alonso but behind Vettel, isn't doing Ferrari any good. It takes some minor points away from Red Bull as a team, but that is not what's at stake here.

Third, how do you suggest Massa letting Alonso by for second when it is not Alonso, but Webber who is running in third?

 

Ahh well seems my time in the land of nod wasn't wasted, a boring race.

As for Vettel, as much as I try to dislike the guy for romping off, I can't.

Webber also a great drive.

Alonso also a great drive.

Massa also a great drive, had he been like that all year...

Hamilton, lady luck flew out of the proverbial window, a pity.

Button also.^

Hulk nice overtaking the only bit of excitement, and Kimi did ok.

 

wow..lack of comprehension there! If I'd written if off, I'd have suggested Massa go for it!

^^^^exactly right.

 

And now : McLaren's Lewis Hamilton has conceded his world championship hopes are over after finishing 10th in the Korean GP...

 

Yep. It's a two horse race now. Raikkonen's points aren't close enough to those of either Vettel or Alonso and he doesn't have the car to seriously try.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Without the problem in Italy, Alonso would have been second, not third. Without Kimi spinning ahead of him, he would have qualified 3rd or 4th and would have avoided the infamous incident. And of course then there is Grosjean...

Without those incidents, Alonso still would have a 20 or more points lead, and Vettel at least would have to sweat a bit in these final races to take the title. Right now, it´s a walk in the park for him. He has the speed. But he´s having the luck of the champions too.

 

Which is the same luck when Vettel retired in Valencia which left the way for Alonso to take victory, and retirement in Monza where Alonso took a third place.

 

As I´ve already said, an alternator breaking is not bad luck: it´s something breaking. To finish first you first must finish, etc... Probably if instead of an alternator failure he had blown his engine in a cloud of smoke and fire nobody would be saying that it was just bad luck.

Some could say too that as the Ferrari is good on wets, Vettel was unlucky because it rained in a race and in a qualifying. Hey, that´s not luck: build a car that goes well in all conditions.

 

The alternators in the Renault engine in the Red Bull car come from Magneti Marelli, who, I'd suppose, also supply Ferrari. I doubt there is anything a driver can do if a part several steps in the supply chain away fails during the race.

This season with all its WDCs on the grid and lots of exciting races has been the best for a long time. Up until the last 1 or 2 races there has been a hand full of drivers, all of completely different character but all equally likeable in their own way, fighting with realistic chances for the championship. All of them had their share of good and bad luck, and instead of moaning, I think we'd better sit back and enjoy watching one of them become world champion - and no matter who he is, given the competition this year, we can be sure he really is the best of the best.