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Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by eric355, Dec 15, 2006.

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  1. Argento360

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  2. Kwilson

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    #302 Kwilson, Mar 31, 2012

    Hi Eric, I am based in the UK and recently bought a 360 with only one black remote. Would you able to programme a spare remote for me if I bought one? Could you emal me and let me know the process and cost kurt[at]advansys[dot]co[dot]uk

    Thanks
    Kurt
     
  3. greyboxer

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    #303 greyboxer, Mar 31, 2012
    If Eric is out of Euro fobs for cloning a friend can supply them - send pm
     
  4. DonJuan348

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    #304 DonJuan348, Mar 31, 2012
    Who carries the red fob leather covers
     
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    #306 DonJuan348, Mar 31, 2012
    Yes but in RED
     
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    #308 DonJuan348, Mar 31, 2012
    Thanks
     
  9. wspi

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    #309 wspi, Jul 2, 2012
    Thank you Gobble (Mark).

    I received three working fobs today!!!

    Thank you for supporting the community with your services.

    Take care.
    wspi.
     
  10. eric355

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    #310 eric355, Jul 31, 2012
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    Tonight, while trying to make a set of fobs for an owner who sent me 3 Ford fobs, I discovered that those ones are not compatible with the Ferrari ones.
    Both models are made by Bosch, use the same case but the internals (PCB, IC, ...) are not the same. Those Ford fobs use the old fixed code technology with PCB tracks cutting.

    So, be careful, some Ford fobs are compatible (cf post #172), some are not ...
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  11. f355spider

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    #311 f355spider, Jul 31, 2012
    Is there a simple way to differentiate the compatible Ford ones, from the ones that are not compatible? Part numbers or lot numbers?
     
  12. eric355

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    #312 eric355, Aug 1, 2012
    "RK 112" printed on the back, if still present, is probably the easiest way to differentiate the models.
    If not, a look at the PCB is necessary.
     
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    #313 cl65, Aug 12, 2012
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    eric355: How do you know if the fob is Us or Euro Model? (My 355 is Euro)
    I have 3 fobs(2 red and 1 black). 1 red and the black works. The red one with the "tag" on it does not work.
    I have seen fobs that say RK112 and other ones with RKY112.
    Does this have anything to do with Euro or US?

    I have more questions if someone can give me an answer :)

    What happens if you turn the right pin with the key and then turn it another 12 times to get into programming mode for fobs and you try to for example program my 3 keys.
    First the red one that I for sure know works, then the black and then the red that dont work today?

    Can I in someway confuse the system so no keys work(if I for example tries to program only 2 keys or if I try to program 2 reds and 1 black)?

    Many questions, but I hope someone can give me a for sure answer before I try this procedure.

    If someone is sitting on a blank 355 key or a black euro remote I could really have use of them as you can see on the pics :)
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  14. greyboxer

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    #314 greyboxer, Aug 12, 2012
    The middle one (which I think is the one you say does not work) is German so it is European - they can only be cloned to work - it cannot be reprogrammed using the procedure
     
  15. eric355

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    #315 eric355, Aug 13, 2012

    The best way to be sure if you have Euro remotes is to open them and to read and report what is written on the round metallic component close to the battery. If you see "2632" that means they are working at Euro frequency.

    Have you the correct PIN for your car? Are you able to start her without the remote?
    If no, I would clone one of your working remote in the one which is not working (provided it is at the correct frequency)
    If yes, you can either have your non working remote cloned as above, or I can make with your 3 remotes a complete new set with its PIN that you could program on your car.
     
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    #316 cl65, Aug 13, 2012
    greyboxer and eric355: Thank you for your answers.


    eric355:The black remote work fine but one red does not work.(working red stay in the safe if possible?)
    Is it possible to clone a red one with use of the black?

    I have also read about "cloned" remotes that will have to "relearn" with pushing the button many times. Is this an issue only with cloned fobs?
    My question is: Will a cloned fob work as perfectly as a "real" one?
    You are most welcome to mail me details on both procedures and which one you think is the best solution for me.
     
  17. eric355

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    #317 eric355, Aug 13, 2012
    There is no problem to clone a red from a black. You will get a black in a red case.
    The working red has no particuliar value compared to your black, now that it has already been used to communicate its PIN to the ECU.

    You are right about this small drawback of a cloned remote. Because it shares the exact same ID than the original remote, it send the exact same codes. All the already sent codes being rejected by the ECU, that explains why you have to press several time a clone, or the original, when you want to swap from one to the other. Once a clone send new codes, it works exactly as a real one.

    You have not answered about the current PIN. Do you have it?
    Supposing yes, you have the 2 options I explained. Cloning your not working red will be cheap, making a new set with its PIN from your 3 remotes will be a bit more expensive.
     
  18. cl65

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    #318 cl65, Aug 13, 2012
    eric355: Yes I have the PIN, but maybe cloning still will be the best way to go?
    Will the original remote that works and which you use to make the clone still be "original" and not share drawbacks of a cloned remote?
    If you could mail me differences in price and more important information it would be much appreciated.
     
  19. Hoodude

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    #319 Hoodude, Aug 27, 2012
    Mark (Gobble),
    Got the fob a minute or so ago..works fine.
    Red looks good!
    Thanks again.
    Cheers,
    RE

    Ps,I'm another happy customer...
     
  20. cl65

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    #320 cl65, Oct 15, 2012
    Hi again

    Eric is helping me cloning my fob.
    While I have 2 reb fobs and 1 black(see picture a couple of posts above) I would consider to trade 1 red vs 1 black.
    I guess the red is "harder" to get so hopefully there are someone sitting with 2 or 3 black ones and need a red one. The trade is only for the shelf(not the electronics).
    I have the red shelf and you the black :) The trade is only for the shelf/cover so if your black fob is working you will get a red working one....
    My english is not perfect but I hope everyone understands. Otherwise help me someone :)
     
  21. gobble

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    #321 gobble, Oct 19, 2012
    I got my hands on a few new red fobs if anyone is looking to add one to their system.
     
  22. BenchBoy

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    #322 BenchBoy, Oct 19, 2012
    Gobble I got the fob today and it works well! thanks
     
  23. gobble

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    #323 gobble, Oct 20, 2012
    And I also have one new black fob. I'm running low and they're getting harder to find at a decent price.
     
  24. mikeyr

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    #324 mikeyr, Oct 22, 2012
    Will the Red fob allow programming of other remotes or is it just a clone ? (I don't know my pin).
     
  25. gobble

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    #325 gobble, Oct 22, 2012
    It's just a clone. The red for only serves the purpose of programming a new set of three into the car that first time. Even with the PIN, you can't use it to add a single additional fob.
     
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