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  1. lotusk

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  2. roadracer311

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    Seems like good stuff. Jay Leno seems to like it.

    It's a little expensive, and with the motor coming out every 5 years, you lose the benefit of it being a "lifetime" coolant. The only reason I can think of not to use it, is that water has a higher heat carrying capacity, than just about anything. So if your cooling system were on the verge of not having enough cooling capacity, then it could be bad. My guess is that it would work just fine.

    -Paul (motorcycle mechanic/physicist)
     
  3. SoCal1

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    Bad side of it is you must the same coolant not water if you're in a pinch with nothing on hand it can be an issue.

    Take a look at the MSD sheets for the product. I bet its just a Ethylene Glycol/Propylene Glycol blend

    I dont think it will boil so thats a good thing for any steam pockets in the engine.



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  4. 2NA

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    There are a couple guys here that have used it. I believe that since it has a very high boiling temperature, the cooling system doesn't operate under pressure. This would seem to reduce the possibility of a leak. They also claim that it is non-corrosive.

    In my opinion, unless you think there's a special need for it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Glycol/water coolant works well as long as it's changed regularly.
     
  5. mr.steve

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    I have been using the waterless coolant system in my Series 2 E-type Jaguar for a number of years. Very effective in the old problematic classics. Many classic cars have used this system for a while in the Uk, seems the secrets out now :)
    Have been threatening to use it in the Ferrari but have never got round to it.
     
  6. lotusk

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    Hmmmm

    Will think on it....

    Can someone give me their instructions on how to properly flush the 355 coolant system

    Do i just remove the plastic screws on the bottom of each radiator and the drain plug on the block....let the old coolant drain.....replace screws and plug....fill system with water....start motor ......idle it up to operating temp.....shutoff motor.....undo the radiator screws and block plug....let the water drain again.....replace screws and plug one more time and fill system with coolant...

    Am i missing anything.....don't believe my car has ever had a proper flush...she's on 56000 miles and i want to do it right.

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  7. 2NA

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    Those block drain plugs can be a sonofa***** to get loose. Good luck.

    I would think that the best time to make this kind of switch would be after an engine rebuild. When everything is apart, clean and dry. There is a lot of plumbing that will be difficult to drain completely.
     
  8. lotusk

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    Have I got the flush procedure right?

    Howard
     
  9. SoCal1

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    Turn the heat on also there is water in the you want to flush also
     
  10. lotusk

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    Ok...the heater....the drain plug on the block..is that important to undo?

    Think i will give the waterless coolant a miss

    Car is perfectly fine with water, antifreeze mix

    Howard
     
  11. f355spider

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    +1. Tons of threads on this stuff in the BMW forums. Some swear by it....others swear at it. ;) My opinion is it is a lot of work and hassle, with some benefit, and some draw backs as well. Nothing wrong with the regular stuff. I use the BMW stuff in both my cars and motorcycle.
     
  12. SoCal1

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    I never messed with the engine block plug so I cant say from expierance. Someone stated it was a PITA possible due to mineral deposits on it


    Changing next week here to engine ice, I have a few cases here, top notch stuff

    Honestly the thing that kills antifreeze is tap water

    Always distilled
     
  13. 2NA

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    Not if you need to remove the water too.
     
  14. RSO1091

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    Hey guys, I seem to recall the need to bleed the air out of the system after it has reached operating temperature. Did someone mention that there are some air release outlets somewhere, or was I dreaming? Henry
     
  15. hacker-pschorr

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    What the difference between:

    Classic Cool 180°
    Vintage Cool 180°
    Power Cool 180°

    The descriptions are rather vague.

    A waterless engine coolant specially formulated for classic vehicles. Classic Cool 180º protects engine cooling systems from -40ºC to 180ºC. The unique properties prevent many of the problems associated with waterbased coolants such as Corrosion and Overheating.

    A waterless engine coolant specially formulated for vintage vehicles. Vintage Cool 180º protects engine cooling systems from -40ºC to 180ºC. The unique properties prevent many of the problems associated with waterbased coolants such as Corrosion and Overheating.

    A waterless engine coolant specially formulated for performance vehicles. Power Cool 180º protects engine cooling systems from -40ºC to 180ºC. The unique properties prevent many of the problems associated with waterbased coolants such as Premature Detonation and Overheating.


    I dunno.... vague marketing like this feels like a 2AM infomercial.

    What's the difference between classic and vintage? What if you own a vintage performance car?
     
  16. lotusk

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    Errrr

    Can you please explain some more.....

    Howard
     
  17. CRAIGF355

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    I have not heard anything about this till Mr. Jay Leno did his little promo on his site. I would try it, I don't really think its a big deal water/antifreeze works fine, buying a new car then switching to it not worth it, but If was building a fresh motor I would use it. My 2 cents
     

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