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First post, in need of first Ferrari advice on a $40,000 budget

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by FerrariFineArts, Oct 26, 2012.

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  1. FerrariFineArts

    Oct 20, 2012
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    Hello,

    I'm new to the forum, but have been a Ferrari enthusiast for a long while. Being am automotive artist, I have painted them on canvas and studied them for a long time. Unfortunately, my research has been with the new models for clients, or with GTO's, swb's, and all the expected high end cars that go along with my profession.

    I am looking for any advice you may have about first Ferrari ownership on a very serious budget. I don't own one now, but I am anticipating buying in the next year. First, let me tell you about me and my limitations. First, I am on a strict budget of $40,000. And I am not a mechanic. I am, though, very good at simple mechanicals such as changing parts out. But tearing an engine all the way down and resolving a sophisticated engine issue is not what I am capable of. I have built a V8 Chevrolet engine from ground up with the help of an experienced friend, but I could not have executed it alone. I am proficient when it comes to cosmetic restoration and improvements of the interior and exterior.

    I have not predetermined which models I need to pursue. I simply want to let my budget limitation guide me with regard to value.

    I do want a running driving car. That is the most important consideration. I do not want a basket case mechanically. As I mentioned, cosmetics are secondary and are something that I am proficient with.

    I am completely open to any model as a first car. I am just looking for the best value at the $40,000 level. Two seats or four seats. Least complicated mechanicals.

    If what I want as far as value and mechanicals is not attainable at this budget, then what would be my next best value?

    Thank you
     
  2. etip

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    I'm going to come across really rude as I've been drinking all night .... but what a stupid question . if you want Ferrari just for the sake of getting a Ferrari, get the absolute cheapest when you can . otherwise if you want to 308 get a 308 . if you want a 348 get a 348 . but don't ask other people what kinda car you should get if you want a car ....

    okay blast me because I deserve it but like I said I've been drinking ......
     
  3. Jedi

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    308 of several flavors, maybe a high-miles 328

    Mondial is the only thing in your price range. And gotta hope your rear
    seat passengers are legless or under the age of five.

    :)

    Good luck in your quest - they're all great cars

    Jedi

    :):) Go hit P&R :D:D
     
  4. etip

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    My point was $40k can put him in a 308, 308gt4, Mondial, 328, 348:
    355, low 456........ all very different.cars. at least have a.clue.what you want....... if.its.JUST a Ferrari (nothing wrong with that....-) het the cheapest thing you can afford..... otherwise figure out what YOU want and look accordingly. If you talk about your desires, people cam guide... if.you.just want a Ferrari, spend some money.....
     
  5. etip

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    #5 etip, Oct 27, 2012
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    F P&R section. I log on here for car related stuff not some pompous right wing left wing view
    This is only a.car tech.forum to.me. I don't want the middle school chat.board crap.from it.........
     
  6. GrayTA

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    Seriously, I think your approach is wrong. You have to find the car that appeals to you and work toward that goal, otherwise you are just looking for a status symbol and that will come back to bite you on the butt - possibly very hard.

    Having said that, the cars listed above will meet your criteria. I have seen 355s sell in the mid $20s, BUT there are serious bills that can come with that which can leave your $40k GONE in a heartbeat.

    My serious recommendation would be a 308 with higher miles and do a fresh service AFTER a solid ppi. Its a beautiful car that is absolutely timeless and has aged extremely well. It will have its share of issues just as any other 30 year old car would, but if taken care of and maintained will keep its value and possibly appreciate and most importantly, its almost bulletproof.


    Just my thoughts...



    PDG
     
  7. BLAMPEE

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    Roflmao!! :p


    You HAVE BEEN DRINKING!!!! :eek:



    :p
     
  8. vaccarella

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    You are an automotive artist. You want a car with least complex mechanicals.

    308 GTB/GTS without a doubt.

    And for by far the best value within that model is the injected 2 valve, not the carb or the QV. You are sure to find one in good condition for a lot less than $40K, especially a GTS. That leaves you plenty of spare $ to tidy her up, do a service etc.

    308 GT4 if you like the look.

    They've all been creeping up in price in the UK. What was £20K a decade ago is now nudging £30K. Go search and buy, don't procrastinate.
     
  9. PV Dirk

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    I think Mondials are the cheapest right now but they do have a few more electronics. If you want to use the car the mondial will have more storage for your art supplies. A larger trunk and a back seat that can be folded down for storage. Just remember a 20K car can turn into a 40K car very quickly and in one visit to a shop if you chose poorly. Also, that 20K car will probably still be a 20K car even after you have 40K into it, much better to spend 30K, but no guarantees it won't become a 50K car. Choose wisely.

    You didn't share what your additional annual budget is, that is important too. Can you afford to put $500 or 5K into it annually? If you have a good annual budget you have more freedom, if you don't have an annual budget I'd suggest a different car. You might get lucky or you might end up with an expensive piece of art you can't afford to use.
     
  10. texasmr2

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    If I were you I would look here first http://ferrarichat.com/forum/vbclassified.php. You can find a well sorted car with a full service history, I would look for a Mondial Cab if I was in your position.

    Good luck and the owners here are a wealth of free knowledge gained from experience so play nice ok!
     
  11. Dakota

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    Get a VERY NICE 400 model they are the best bang for your buck for a grand touring v-12 beautiful sounding F-CAR!
     
  12. texasmr2

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    Another great choice accept for maintenance cost compared to a V8.
     
  13. FerrariFineArts

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    No one mentioned 412's. How do they stack up with the previously mentioned models as far as build quality, simplicity, robust mechanicals?
     
  14. texasmr2

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_400
     
  15. etip

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    (sheepish grin....) ha, ha, ha......
     
  16. Drive550PFB

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    High mileage 355 with good service records.

    It will change your life.
     
  17. FerrariFineArts

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    Are the V12's more or less robust engines than the V8's? Do engine accessories tend to be more problematic on the V12's?
     
  18. Jkuz

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    Find the best car you can for $30 or $35 and plan on using the rest for "issues". You can buy a pretty nice 2-valve 308 for that, or a Mondial, or a 308gt4. I think anything else at that price will soak up another $10k pretty quickly. Look for buyers guide tips here that will really help. PPI is mandatory!
     
  19. vaccarella

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    V8 gets you the less complex mechanicals you asked for in your op. For sure.
     
  20. FerrariFineArts

    Oct 20, 2012
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    At what year did sensors appear on Ferraris? Are sensors problematic on Ferraris?
     
  21. bobzdar

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    What do you mean by best value? Most car for $40k is a higher mileage 355, by a long shot. Nothing else in the price range will touch it performance wise. That said, you need to be able to maintain it, so if $40k is your budget for a car and say a year of maintenance, stick with a 308, gt4, mondial or a high mileage 328 or 348, so you can set aside $5-10k on top of the purchase price for anything that might crop up. I don't think you'll have to spend that much unless you don't do your homework, but if you have a hard cap and something expensive happens to break, you don't want to have to let it sit or sell it at a loss.

    That said, you should have at least some idea of what kind of Ferrari you want, an early mondial is incredibly different from a 355 in every way other than they both are mid-engined, v8 Ferraris but both are technically in your wheel house price wise. If you don't care, get the cheapest one in good condition with recent service. I like the idea of a mondial T hardtop if you can find one in good shape.
     
  22. vaccarella

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    Depends what you mean by sensors.

    If you mean sensors as electronic devices, they follows that of the car market in general. Pre 1980s there is next to nothing. Cars from around the mid 80's onward have some rudimentary electronics, Mid 90s onward start to get more complicated.

    308s are decidedly mechanical, even the injection is mechanical. By the time of the 348 you have the usual equipment like ABS, map sensors and the like.
     
  23. judge4re

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    How long do you want to own it? Does the 40k include maintenance?
     
  24. FerrariFineArts

    Oct 20, 2012
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    I will not want to flip the car for profit or anything like that. This will be a very long term proposition. I would like to buy at/under $40K including the first year of maintenance. With a PPI I hope that the first year would be less expensive than rushing out and buying the first thing that looks and sounds good. But I know that there are unexpected expenses with and without the PPI in the first year. I do want a model that will appreciate in 10-15 years.

    This far into this very informative discussion, I have ruled out Mondial. Simply because of styling. Everything else that has been suggested earlier is a possibility.

    I do like hardtop models more than targa and convertible. Are hardtops worth less or more? Or is market price not affected by whether or not it is a convertible?

    These posts are very helpful, thanks.
     
  25. furmano

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    308 or possibly a high mileage 328 is in your price range and are the least expensive to maintain.

    AFAIK, a 308 can be purchased for around $35,000 leaving $5000 for the first couple of years of maintenance, depending on when the next belt service is.

    -F
     

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