Yeah you're probably right Paul. I should make the effort to see what it's all about. I'll see what I can do over the next few days. Bal
http://www.classica-automobile.at/fahrzeugangebot/maserati-khamsin/ Hi Maseratisti khamsinisti, i'm very sorry for my poor english.... i saw the car by auto-moto d'epoca in Padua. I like the car and the paint blu sera 106-A-18 same as my 365GTC4. I now the car is to sell since longtime in Austria. The last owner was Mr. Cicognani from the classic car rubber industry. What's wrong on this car? The interior is very nice, but i think the black dashboard color is wrong?. Should not be braun? The doorpanel insert should not be braun too? darker than seat color? What about the price? I'm looking for a Khamsin european not red or black....... Greetings from Switzerland, Roberto
Hi Roberto, I had a closer look at the car in Padova. It is an early K with the head rests integrated in the backrest of the seats, has the right rough pole tapestry and leather looks OK. Do not mind the color details, one could order any combination one liked at that time. I am not sure if the blue color is an original K color. (You can check with Fabio Calina at Maserati Storichi) The steering wheel has the shock absorption pad: These were standard first delivery on the US and French delivered cars, long before anybody ever thought about airbags! Engine bay looks untouched and original, have not got a clue if the mechanics and hydraulics are OK, the sellers told us they are all functioning. Yet to be proven and I would always put the car on a hoist to check for rust and solidity. I have seen a load of misery K's before I bought my rust free example! All in all the car made a good impression but to me about 20% too high asking price. Hope you can use the above info or drop me a PM. BTW: Padova was a great show and met a lot of car friends, even the owner of K#004, the Prototipo, who lives only 15 km away from me. I went back home as a happy man because I found an original European black Nardi steering wheel and mounting boss for my Khamsin along with a bunch of other spare parts like rocker switches, fuel pumps and stuff. Ciao, Bart
Hello Roberto, Well, I am sorry that I speak neither German nor French, and my Italian is only barely passable. Nice to have you here anyway! Carmine
Does anyone have pictures of a K that had anything other than dark grey or brown on the dash-top, door-inserts and cantrails from the factory? I am still looking for the original material (brown) to re-do my dashtop, and the original brown has grown on me, I'd like to keep it all as original. Damn the mouse that ate it. Discussion on the blue K in Padova brought me back to this topic. We have compared with the brown material used in the Ghibli, but it is not the same.
Hi Roberto I wish half the people in Australia had English as good as yours! Interesting to note the carpet, if it was copied from the original, its what I thought it should be. Shame some parts have been recovered and others not, like sides of the dash, and the car is painted Resale Black. Graeme
Hello all, Have been busy wrapping up the book contents before printing -yes we print this month available well before Christmas since Eau Rouge Publishing sells directly hence no delays- so no time for forums however I could not let the anniversary pass: 40 years ago today the Khamsin was introduced at the Turin show on the Bertone during opening day. The car on the stand was AM120.004 shown here. The other image is a ticket which an acquaintance of mine still has. Raise your glass of Champagne, I know I will You might treat your K to a birthday cake like we did at K40 To answer the questions about chassis numbers mentioned in recent days here: the red car offered for sale in the Uk in a dark garage is AM120.425, the Perry Aldred automatic. Has been stored for many years, was in a few articles in the 80's. The blue car at Padova: AM120038 discussed here...a year ago when it was shown in the same show. Do a search and you will pull up the info. The white car at Padova was AM120.270 which resides in Modena itself, one of three K's in and around the city. 270 won best restoration award at KHAMSIN QUARANTA. best regards, Marc Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
There is one way for certain cars, many cars did not sell fast, they sat on sales lots. When they were registered they were sometimes registered incorrectly using the year of sale rather than the year of build. If you can prove this to be the case CA. DMV will allow you to change your car from say a 76 to a 75 making it smog exempt.
Hi Mark, Not wanting to sound picky, but not sure you have the owner of the UK car correct, but I've checked the Classic & Sportscar article and Perry's car was a manual in dark red metallic and in fact was a 1981 car with the later nose. The car in the ebay ad is an early car (no vents in nose) in what appears to be bright red. In fact I saw Perry's car at Bill McGrath's in August and it looked as if it needed quite a bit of work not having been turned over in many years. Bal
Hi Marc, I do not know what the criteria were for the selection but a restoration to me goes further than a very nice body job. Under the hood nothing was touched, all original! In itself very nice but nothing to do with a restoration!?! Ciao, Bart
Hi all: Bal it appears I confused two British red sleeping beauties which emerged from years of unuse at the same time assuming they were the same and even though the chances of that happening were remote I should have looked closer but am just a bit hyper busy right now: thanks for correcting me, duly noted! This leaves us with the question of which one the advertised car is and I hope you will be able to go see it! Bart: neither I nor Doug had anything to do with judging, firstly because I have never been in the least intersted in judging secondly because I was far too busy with a million other decisions to take in my event. Judging was entirely done by Maserati Classiche i.e. Ermanno Cozza and Fabio Collina. 270 was not best of show that went to AM120.234 of Pascal (car shown in the very first post in this forum. best regards, Marc
Just as a matter of interest, do we know how many K's are in the UK? Do we know why the last few K's were RHD uniquely? If #425 was built in '81, and I know from the factory that #435 was as well, was '81 the year old series were planned to have their final runs and use up remaining parts? Were 437 and 439 indeed built in '82, or just dispatched in '82?
That also explains a few things only question I have is I though they were actually bought to order? Graeme
Near the end it was a bit more complex than that. Certain "things" were done by G. Garbut and Mr. DeTomaso here in the USA that clud such issues ...
Hi all: To answer your question Graeme it is not really a a part of the American culture to order a car to bespoke specification and wait for it, perhaps more today but certainly not back then. Tom Clark the Fort Lauderdale Maserati dealer in the 70's is one of my interviewees in the book and he said he did not bother with that: if someone wanted a specific color he would buy a demonstrator and repaint it. The delays would have been far too long he explained. Of course in Europe you don't have to deal with shipping delays for European cars, delays which in the US very much discourage people from pre ordering a car, so the tendency had always been to buy what is on the lot which is why dealers have large selections. I think today there is more preordering though but I don't follow new car matters too much. Of course there are delays due to waiting lists anyway. How as it in Australia in the 70's: pre order or buy what a dealer had? best regards, Marc
Marc and everyone, I've also been expecting that the Mecum auction would be bad for Khamsin value, but then I found this on YouTube about the U$D 800K Ghibli auction: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWOlGIy-sM[/ame] I did not realize that this car sold in the USA. I thought it was in Europe. Anyway, of course the Khamsin is a different animal, but it is possible that the US auction houses are getting to understand these things. I suppose that we'll find out pretty soon. Carmine
Hi Carmine I like you am hopeful but I think the pre 1970"s barrier is still a hurdle, one of the only cars that has is the Countach, I awaite everones beratment to prove me wrong Graeme
Hi Marc To be relly honest I believe a similar situation existed here. I know from an ALFA Dealer here a 100 or so Montreals arrived in Primer and were painted to order. Not all the cars sold so were shipped back OS. There does appear to be some pre ordering of colours and trim re the AUTO Sold in Melbourne not long ago. New Cars are a different matter Maseratis I am not so sure but AUDIs BMW's etc, its often 4 weeks to 3 months for a car Ordered to a specific spec. Graeme
So you would get your new expensive Alfa with a tape-off and mask paintjob? Wow. Btw, the small Mercs and BMW's you get in Oz are made in South Africa in a much smaller plant than in Germany, so that would go a little faster, combined with a shorter distance.
I know one Khamsin that was painted when it arrived here, it when from light metalic green to a mercedies dark metalic. apparently the original Glidden celulose Paint didnt last long, so most were repainted. Question to Marc, am I correct about the Glidden paint? Graeme
I am aware that some of you have fitted new exhaust systems. As it was some time ago I would be interested in your comments on the system. Regards Graeme
Graeme I got quoted by one of the after market guys for a SS system $4000 plus 13% taxes then we still need to pull the old system off and install the new headers and install the new system. I went to a hot rod shop who made me ss system and install my headers which I had purchased all for about $1200 Canadian dollars. They had to take the old system off install the headers they cut the bell mouth flanges off and welded in new three bolt Chevy or ford flanges gave the header a tweek out away from the slave. They made up new pipes that bolt up to the flanges and go to a couple of SS mufflers used on 5L Mustang they welded on some clamps that use standard method of hanging the system. They used my old chrome tips the sound is great and I saved a pile of cash. Cheers Mark Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
