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1998 993 S or 1996 993 TT?

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  1. vroom

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    I have a blk/blk 98Carrera S 78,000 miles. I'm thinking of selling/trading for a 96 Twin Turbo. Which would have better appreciation value down the line?
     
  2. WPOZZZ

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    Get the one you will enjoy driving more.
     
  3. Carnut

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    The 993 will always be worth way more down the line as you say!
     
  4. kevin956

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    My guess is that anything in the 996 line will never appreciate much - too many people hate the body style. Of course, that means that cars like the 996 turbo and GT3 can be great deals if you're OK with the styling and like the driving experience more.

    On the narrow question of price appreciation potential, my bet would be that the 993 wins over the 996. I regularly get comments on mine from people who had one and regret letting it get away. That type of appreciative and consistent undercurrent sounds like a good foundation for pricing in the future. Even better, the 98 993 at the end of the 993 cycle and the last of a great air cooled breed.

    Of course, I wouldn't view the 993 or 996 as an investment. Buy what you love because you love to drive it. Much more rewarding than worrying whether every mile you drive is hurting the investment value.
     
  5. jmm

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    From my reading of the original post I would think both are 993's. One is a 1998 Carrera S and the other is a 1996 TT. Is this correct?

    If it is, I would go for the TT.
     
  6. vroom

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    They are both 993's - either the 98 Carrera S vs the 1996 993 Twin Turbo. Of the two which may have better long term appreciation?
     
  7. El Wayne

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    The TT was, is, and will most likely continue to be the more desirable car.
     
  8. kevin956

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    Eeek - my bad. Not sure why I had 996 on the brain. In that case, I agree - the 993TT has the bigger upside potential. Apologies for the detour.
     
  9. El Wayne

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    For those who are now wondering why they were initially confused, I edited the thread title a little while ago for clarification.
     
  10. ryalex

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    993TT all the way.
     
  11. S Brake

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    TT without a doubt.
     
  12. amenasce

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    I dont think it is that clear cut. Right now you can buy a TT with same mileage as a C2S for just $10k more..so the difference isnt that much more. The C2S is seen as one of the most beautiful 911 of all times in 993 form and is very rare.

    I think both will maintain their value (unless you add enormous miles) in the short to mid term. So since you had the C2S for a while, why not give the TT a try.
     
  13. vroom

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    How many 1998 Carrera S's and 1996/97 Twin Turbo's were made; how many imported into the US?
     
  14. jlonmark

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    Of course you could get 1 of the 182 Turbo S imported to North America!
     
  15. El Wayne

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    #15 El Wayne, Nov 9, 2012
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    993 Production Numbers:

    993 C2 Cpe: 23,127
    993 C2 Cab: 15,499
    993 C2 Targa: 4,583
    993 C2 S: 3,714

    993 C4 Cpe: 4,744
    993 C4 Cab: 2,422
    993 C4 S: 6,948

    993 Turbo: 5,978
    993 Turbo S: 183
    993 Turbo Cab: 14
    993 Carrera RS: 1,014
    993 GT2: 57
    993 Speedster: 2

    (From web sources. Accuracy not verified.)
     
  16. sarkis kassardjian

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    I think there were only 993 1998 C2S produced, not sure if that was accidental or on purpose. I am the original owner of the car with vin WPOAA299XWS321331, built on Dec 21, 1997 and I believe it is the highest vin # C2S built!

    Sarkis
     
  17. 69_911

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    For long term value, I'd say a 993TT is the way to go, and I'm after one myself. I'm with you, the 993 C2S is gorgeous. But it's an obd II C2 with a wide behind and a twin grill, will body work be enough to make it really special as the years go by? I guess it could. I feel the TT is on another level all together due to its 125hp increase over the NA obd II 993. But I have a thing for RWD, NA, NB, 911s. So one of each and add a '95 C2 for daily back road duties.
     
  18. sarkis kassardjian

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    don't you think the market has spoken? the gap in values between a TT & 1998 C2S have shrunk considerably for similar condition cars. Lower production numbers, the iconic original shape of the original design without the spoiler on the tail, the twin grills. naturally aspirated engine with a rear wheel drive of the C2S might trump the advantage of the TT performance in the future. maintenance costs and longevity of the non turbo engine will also be a factor in future values, as these cars put on more miles! btw, the wide body looks much nicer (in my judgement) without the turbo tail.

    Sarkis
     
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    I've not seen the gap shrink at all over the last 3 years. The market definitely says the c2s is collectible, but by no means is it saying it's more collectible than the TT. Super low mile turbos $100k+, super low mileage c2s, $70k+. 30k mile cars, turbo @ $80kish c2s @ $60kish. So the gap shrinks a little as mileage increases, but I think this has been the gap for several years. And if I understand correctly, the op wanted an investment 993, so driving will be kept to a minimum I would imagine. So I don't know that maintenance costs will play a huge role in the decision, but I agree that turbo engine rebuilds will be more expensive then the normally aspirated c2s. And don't get me wrong, I think the c2s is beautiful, and a great driving car. But, as far as collectibility goes, I am absolutely going with the TT as the better investment. And as far as production numbers, I don't think they are low by collector car standards, I don't know how much of a part that will play in the difference in value as time goes on. Just my opinion.
     
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  21. cwilson13

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    #21 cwilson13, Nov 15, 2012
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    I just sold my 993S. Had it for 6 years. Loved it. The TT is faster obviously...but the tail kills the beautiful lines of the backend (IMHO). One of the best looking Porsches ever (especially from the rear, wide-hip view...sorry so pic).
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  22. sarkis kassardjian

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    when I talk about the gap in pricing, its when they were new! the Turbos were almost twice the value of the C2S. Today its probably around 20% more when it comes to comparable cars. The C2S will ALWAYS be the LAST body style of the air cooled era and the last version of the 993 with the exception of the last 22 cars that were built and sold to the special customers and those cars were all euro spec cars. For all practical purposes the 1998 C2S was the exclamation mark of the regular production air cooled era cars. I know performance is important now, but eventually the historical significance and the beauty in design will play a major roll in values. Besides you can by a C2S for less then a turbo and the percentage of appreciation could be more than a Turbo.

    This reminds me to what's happening to the Dino values today compared to Daytona, its along the same principle, despite the fact that Daytona is superior in every aspect but the design and the historical significance of the Dino is giving it a fantastic boost in value. Mind you, not just its value going up, it has almost surpassed the Daytona in certain instances. I happen to own a Dino. It was my favorite growing up and still is today, regardless of the value. Endured a lot of bashing from fellow Ferrari owners over the years, but I think I am having the last laugh:)

    Regards

    Sarkis
     
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  24. sarkis kassardjian

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    Wow! that is probably the nicest color combination for the c2s,: all the beautiful lines stand out! Mine is black on black and I wish it was silver. Enjoy driving it at least a thousand miles a year to keep it healthy and forever young!!!
     

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