Marcel is pretty clear about what he thinks 0627 is and isn't. http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135972200&postcount=36
No more categories please it's bad enough having two ! Vadim showed great taste in women as well as his cars. Bardot, Annette Strøyberg, Jane Fonda, and Catherine Deneuve !! He most likely went to 55 and beach for a lie down
I have no problem whatsoever calling a car a fake. But to say the car is faking isn't technically correct and so it is not proper and gentlemanly if done so to be defamitory. The poor car is most certainly mindless and thus incapable of performing such a feat. To say that their owner is faking is to say that their intent is known to you which is improbable. I say live and let live.
Yes, Vadim showed great taste in women and cars. However, it was his ability to "achieve them" that was the infinitely greater thing.
This entire discussion seems silly to me. A Ferrari is a Ferrari regardless of the model it started out as. Why not discuss replicas that are seemingly correct. At the very least, if there is interest in a particular car (especially if the price is approaching six figures) then it would be good to know of the history of that car.
I had 06267 for sale in about 1999. It was originally a Boano that belonged to James Cagney but I understood the rebody was done in the late 1960's ......coachbuilder unknoiwn. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Has anyone else noticed that various auction houses no longer refer to Replicas and Recreations but now describe the cars as EVOCATIONS.........What exactly is an Evocation ?
Could the James Cagney and the Boano connection/story have started here? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rQ8ePrNYtU[/ame]
This is very interesting and I'm sure as it comes from Marcel, its true. I was told of the Cagney connection by the owner I was selling it for and passed this on to any interested buyer. Thus perpetuating the story.........Whatever its history may have been, it was / is a wonderful car.
Steve.........I think you may be right. Maybe the car in the film is 0627 and the story started as ...the car in the Cagney film but through the years became James Cagney's car......Well done for finding this.
We've been around and around with this one and have never been able to identify the Boano in that film. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183118 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231568 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276931 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184827 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183644 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183809 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259330 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183784
Consider the case of 250 Europa 0421GT. This car was originally purchased by the father of famous Dutch Ferrari collectors HK and NK. It was sold to England and the brothers tried to buy it back in the '80ies but narrowly lost out to Lord Brockett. In the infamous story, this individual cut up 4 Ferraris and buried the remains on his property to claim insurance money. 0421GT was one of them. After acquiring the remains (chassis, incomplete engine, rear axle and gearbox, all very rusty) at auction in 1996, NK set about recreating the car to its original specification - Hietbrink handcrafted a body using 0363GT as a template, Piet Roelofs did the engineering work, Fabio Calligaris the paintwork based on Jacques Swaters' confirmation of original paint codes. In my view, though this car is probably only 10 - 20% original and a non-period rebody, it deserves to be discussed in this section as the owners have set about recreating the original car as far as is humanly possible. The history of car and the process of the rebody is fully documented in a fascinating little book that was published after the restoration. The car is now, as far as it is possible to be, the same as it left the factory. A commendable and very expensive effort. So whilst it is not original, it is still 250 Europa 0421GT. Onno Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fully agree with you. This is the same identity that the car which left the factory, or body shop. Whether it was put in pieces, burnt racing, or severally damaged or even rebodied for whatever purposes then put back into its original condition , this is THE car it pretends to be. Of course when no original piece remain, specially the chassis, this is another problem..recreating a car that do not exist anymore should be off limits. Of course this will always the question of the limit. Using a dormant chassis might be acceptable,,,but a dormant engine and drive train, or just the body to resurrect a car, not acceptable ( specially As we may end up with 2 cars, one clone and one " legitimate").
Dear Onno Thanks. I remember this car when Charlie Brocket owned it and it was horrible. Red, very shiny and a nasty plastic Scuderia Ferrari sticker. Bearing in mind other cars in his collection, I would not be surprised if it was only "10-20% original" when he owned it. The Dutch owner should be congratulated on doing such a great restoration and I agree it is worthy of discussion here. Apart from the Europa he also dismantled a 340 America Vignale Spyder (0138AM) and a 195 Sport (0123S). What happened to them ? Kim Image Unavailable, Please Login
0138AM was a cabriolet that first got "charlied" all over (he tried to make it look like a hot rod racing car in true 1980's tradition...) then scrapped. It was restored with a new spider body that looks like 0140A Vignale. 0123S was a project car, some people say almost totally consumed by rust. I understand that what was left after Charlie is slowly being reconstructed/restored. Best wishes, Kare
Thanks Kare Found details of a very shiny 0138A online. Interesting the car was sold fitted with a PF Coupe engine from 1241GT rather than the original engine still in their possession http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/858-Ferrari-340%20America%20Spyder%20by%20Vignale-V12
For completion's sake, a pic of 0421GT last September on the Prince Bernhard Memorial drive. What a stunning car. She won the Concours D'Elegance, although that was a fairly informal affair it has to be said. Onno Picture by Jan Sanderman. Image Unavailable, Please Login
A beautiful car for sure. At least it doesn't think it's something that it's not ???????????? It is what it is.
Onno, Your story made me think; in order to avoid a painful classification, maybe it would be better to refer to the work done as a repair/restoration rather than a re-body. In the vein of the discussion at hand, isn't re-body used to describe a process where one body-style is replaced by another? Beautiful automobile, but one might expect that from either of the brothers.
Did you know that CB is intending to publish a book about his collection ? I was asked to research the cars.......Ironic really as I was employed by the insurers to value the collection when the fraud was first discovered........ Cant wait to see the title of the book
Paul Liz Pipers writing a book on Pipes life entitled "There are Ferraris at the bottom of my Garden" maybe Charlie should do the same ! Good to catch up the other day Kim