Will Ferrari Protest the Move Under Yellow Flag? *spoilers very likely*

Fangio had 4. Michael is the only one to get 5. That is until Seb gets 6...

 

His move on the torro rosso was from P6-P5, forgot which lap but it's towards the last quarter of the race.

 

+1000

Also, Alonso was lucky not to get a drive through for an unsafe release when a Force India was there.

Let sleeping dogs lie...Vettel won the championship fair and square without the need to lose gearbox stickers.

 

BOOM! Hot off the press:

"This new video footage could well have serious implications throughout the world of Formula 1, should any team [such as Ferrari] wish to protest to the FIA. Any team wishing to do so will have until Friday 30th November to officially approach the sport’s governing body on the matter."

 

Actually this is more relevant to the bigger picture....

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/96538.html

 

Why would Torro Rosso protest the move? That's just silly.

Vettel used KERS and was doing 294km'h to make the pass which isn't "letting someone pass under yellows" in my book. Nor should Vettel be using KERS under yellows anyway...

and yes Vettel is suppose to stay behind a slower car while under yellows, the only time he can overtake is when it's extremely slow/about to pull off/breakdown.


The only logical explanation besides a huge blunder by the FIA is that there were green flags waving and the yellow flashing lights were pressed in error. I do believe flags trump lights.



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it was green by the time he passed....sort of.

 

Yes, TR protesting would be silly, that was MY point. TR deliberately let Vettel go past.

You are confused about yellow rules - KERS is allowed, it's DRS that isn't allowed under certain yellow flag circumstances and under Race Control. Note in your photo that Vettel was not using DRS.

Recall how in qualifying, if there is a waved yellow flag in a sector, a driver can not post a faster sector time - but "not faster" means 0.001 seconds slower. 294 km/h is fine, KERS is fine. Of course Vettel doing 294 km/h and using KERS is perfectly acceptable under yellow or waved yellow flags.

You're also confused about overtaking restrictions - under safety car or pace lap conditions, you're right, only if the car ahead is extremely slow or stopping. That doesn't apply to this situation.

 

IF it was a yellow situation they aren't allowed to let cars past, no overtaking while yellows. I don't understand what TR protesting has anything to do with it. The stewards don't make calls based only on "protests".

Nope, neither are allowed. Charlie Whiting confirmed this earlier in the year with the Schumie incident.

Again incorrect. Not faster does not mean 0.001. 294km'h under yellows and overtaking is not fine but it doesn't matter because it wasn't a yellow flag situation.

You''re trying to make the point that this was a LEGAL yellow flag move which it wasn't but as this picture shows and what I suggested earlier is that it was in fact a GREEN flag situation.

There was a Marshall on the left side of the track waving a green flag so by the time the green flashing light arrived it was already green conditions and thus the pass was in fact legal and even if TR let Vettel thru it was only because it was green.
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The BBC are running a story about a challenge to Sunday's results that could see Vettel lose the world title:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

 

Old news:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390532

Welcome to the boards.

 

Sorry - thought this was different! My bad!

 

From Alo's twitter:
"I don't believe in miracles. I make my miracles out of the correct rules."

I guess the tifosi & ferrari owners strong push to contest it has been heard!!!!

 

FWIIW:

I have forwarded the link to this remarkable video to my contacts in the Scuderia.

Would be sweet if a protest by Ferrari would cause Vettel to get a 20 second post race penalty. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

RB dodged quite a few bullets this year that could have resulted in points taken away:

http://www.planetsport.com/features/news/top_10_the_best_moments_from_2012_formula_one_season/12-11-28


Biggest controversy: The legality of the Red Bull RB8 proved to be one of the more controversial topics of this season with the team having several parts either declared illegal or becoming so once rules were clarified.

In the wake of the Monaco GP, Red Bull were forced to alter their car’s floor as a hole near the rear was deemed to be illegal. Added to that one race later, in Canada, they had to change their wheel hubs as they were believed to be giving them an “aerodynamic advantage.”

Three races later they were back in the docks, this time after FIA Technical Delegate Jo Bauer referred the team to the race stewards over what he felt was an illegal throttle map. The FIA lost that round but later clarified regulations forcing Red Bull to again change their car.

And then there was the ride height adjustment issue, which resulted in more changes for the team after stewards told them to tweak the part that allowed them to adjust it manually.

Not a great year for Newey’s tricks!

 

"The worm turns"

 

I emailed the vid to 2 of mine too, both engineers, a couple of days ago as well. They only informed me they were already aware of the vid but couldn't tell me much more...

Keep us apprised!!! or we'll all just find out what's what on Friday!

 

LOL

My friends are engineers as well.

BTW: For the life of me I don't understand why anybody would even challenge that video. It doesn't get much clearer than this: Vettel passed under yellow. In fact the guy on the video does such a thorough job you almost fall asleep watching it. But the end result is clear: He broke the rules.

The only question left is what will the punishment be? Anything short of a 20 second penalty is no help. So knowing the FIA I bet they will give him a 5 grid penalty at Melbourne...

 

What's done is done. A sporting championship should never be decided in court.
That would be a very hollow Championship; right or wrong.
Kevin

 

Agreed. The game should be played on the field and in real time.

That said in today's litigious works with so much at stake....

 

I was not aware this situation was still in play

 

Times have changed, unfortunately.

 

He had already finished the pass before it was green. Looks like he wanted to pass him before the turn.

 

Vettel made a CLEARLY illegal pass as the videos show. He should be given the correct time penalty of 20 seconds which I believe puts him down to a point where Alonso has more points

 

Cheating your way to a victory is equally hollow. It's not a technicality, it's a clear violation of the rules...passing under yellow is clear cut and dry so unless he claims he has selective blindness or color-blindness to ignore the lights on his wheel and the light boards then he has an argument.