Will Ferrari Protest the Move Under Yellow Flag? *spoilers very likely*

Does it really matter that much? It's over and done.


Mark

 

+1. You guys really want Ferrari to win this way? It's starting to sound really desperate and pathetic.

 

And the fact that Ferrari can't file a protest either way

Article 174 (d) of the International Sporting Code makes this clear:

Protests against any error or irregularity occurring during a competition, referring to the non-compliance of vehicles with the regulations and concerning the classification established at the end of the event shall, except in circumstances which the stewards of the meeting consider as physically impossible, be made within thirty minutes of the official publication of the results.

 

FIA has until the 30th to consider the matter.

 

Not sure why asking the stewards to look at a clear cut violation of passing under yellow is desperate... I think if it was a controversial / arguable incident, then yea, it would sound pretty darn desperate, but it's not.

There is undeniable proof of a clearcut violation (nothing left for interpretation like some of the technical regulations) in the video, and to ignore that would probably make the FIA look more stupid and discreditable than making Alonso or Scuderia look desperate and pathetic imho.

wtf do we need a governing body for if they can't even police and enforce these fundamental safety rules.

 

If it was me, I wouldn't want the win this way. Once the game is over, it's over. All that you can do is come back next year more hungry.


Mark

 

A violation is a violation and if it indeed effected the outcome of the race/championship then it should be dealt with

 

+1

This is comparable to the hand of Maradona. An injustice when it had the biggest impact and will be remembered forever.

 

There are not too many things that matters more IMHO.

 

The problem is its a ton of money to Ferrari. If Vettel did make an illegal pass, is it wrong for them to pursue it? From a PR sense, yes. From a financial sense, no.

 

Financially I get it, I just wouldn't want the trophy. Calls get blown, it's just part of the game IMO.


Mark

 

Again, it's not a controversial call...just the ramifications might be perceived as controversial. Part of the F1 game is the affordance of protesting and often times seeking clarity on "interpretations" of such things as the technical regulations which happen ALL THE TIME post races, pre races, all season etc.

 

When the tools are available to rule in real time, I'll agree with this point. At the moment this isn't the case. The stewards take laps to make up their mind. Imagine they did that in football or any other sport.

 

I had the same thought about it happening in another sport too. Of course in American football the game is stopped for an instant replay call. Right or (too often) wrong the call stands never to be reajudicated.

 

+1

But;

Because this is the one sport where they can do that!......

Charlie really does try to get it "right" IMO, despite what the TFHB claims. Makes no difference if it's "real time" or a few laps later - He studies the vid and (generally) makes the right call.

Deciding in court a month later is a different thing. Although not without precedent of course.

No word from Paris as yet AFAIK (?)

Cheers,
Ian

 

Oh, it's deniable alright, and not nearly so clearcut as you make it out to be.

Watch this clip from Vettel's onboard video, right at 37 seconds - look to the left side of the track... at the marshal's stand... at the marshal WAVING A FREAKING GREEN FLAG just before Vettel begins his pass of Vergne!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku979qCzAWA&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

Marshal waving green flag = end of yellow zone = legal pass. DONE.

Adam Cooper blog entry about green flag: http://adamcooperf1.com/2012/11/29/yellow-flag-controversy-casts-shadow-over-championship/
James Allen blog entry about green flag: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/will-fia-review-vettel-championship-result-in-light-of-video-evidence/

 

someone post this in another forum. Guess circumstances are different this time?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63581

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63956

 

Trouble is, of course, the longer it takes theres more time for other actors chime in and other considerations enter into the picture.

 

If they can rule 10mins later then they can rule 1 month later, why does it matter how long it takes

 

It depends if you think that justice delayed is justice denied or think that wheel of justice grinds slow and fine.

Personally I'm more excited about the news due out of NASA than that from Paris.

 

so we are to ignore the lights on his dash?? I'm so lost on this!

 

Which is what I mentioned yesterday, I'm glad the Internet agrees with me.

In this case there was nothing wrong but say a certain President which recently won an election actually lost, would you be happy with the results or demand that President be outed?

Every time NASA makes a big deal about something, it's nothing.

That's correct. Flags trump flashing lights.

 

I promise not to quote you on the NASA comment.

 

+1

The ultimate arbiter remains the good ol' flag.....

Pedantic mode; His "yellow flag warning" lights weren't flashing, but rather solid. [Before someone questions that..... ]

Cheers,
Ian

 

Riveting stuff at the moment
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