Will Ferrari Protest the Move Under Yellow Flag? *spoilers very likely*

Don't hang my hat on that peg

I suspect that Ferrari won't lodge an official (and most likely futile) protest.
They've brought the issue to public attention and raised serious doubts among many. That's the best they can expect.

Stay tuned though. I was wrong (once) before.

 

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104650

 

Would you mind doing a quick cut & paste of that? [I've used up my 50 free views this month already. ]

Cheers,
Ian

 

Prob similar to this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/9712039/Bernie-Ecclestone-describes-Ferraris-post-race-complaint-about-Sebastian-Vettels-overtake-as-a-complete-joke.html

 

+1

I think the interweb is the only place this is still being debated. It's over & done with - A dude waved a green flag and he's in the clear.

But, I was also wrong once.

Cheers,
Ian

 

They say that in space no one can hear you scream.
In cyberspace the screaming never ends.

 

LOL

Occasionally I wish I had an airlock nearby to shove some chatter out of cyber into real space...

 

http://planetf1.com/driver/3213/8293457/Webber-Unlikely-appeal-will-succeed

Probably because he will then just write the FIA a letter saying he was hiding gold bars in his suit for the weigh-in. So he'll get disqualified and Seb will be back up to 7th place. Presto.

 

It's funny because I always hated Alonso until he came to Ferrari. Now, because he drives for Ferrari, I'm kind of in a position where I have to root for him because of my loyalty to Ferrari.

Unlike other team sports, if you follow F1, you can be loyal to a driver no matter what team he's on or be loyal to a team no matter what driver is behind the wheel.

 

Apologies if this is redundant, after perusing the range of previous facts and statements I thought I'd offer a couple comments.

Flags don't trump the track's led lamps, it's whatever signal is arrived at first, be it cloth or led, that sets the status of the zone until the next signal. Most of the confusion seems to come from the fact that the flag zone and lamp zones overlap, and this subject usually gets at least a mention at a morning marshal's meeting so nobody lapses into thinking "I see a ____ light I must wave the ____ flag" ...of course there shouldn't be lapses in the first place!

I don't know when the lights on the car's "dash" are activated, the TR at Singapore had them come on his dash after he'd moved away from the tire wall and began to drive away, so they may use a bit of GPS to determine when the car's in the zone but this gets you back to which zone? I assume it's the lamp zone as that allows for an automatic activation rather than relying on the reflexes of yet more carbon-based lifeforms other than the soggy ones standing trackside. A yellow light on the dash should be trumped by whatever's shown trackside, flag or lamp. The higher level red shouldn't be ignored wherever it's seen as it's signal is sent by Control and overrides whatever light's been selected on the post's light operating boards.

Marshalling duties include calling in passes under yellow, granted at an F1 event by the time the car numbers involved have been received by the station's communicator and the information's called into Control Charlie's probably already heard from whichever team principal has an issue with it.

 

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104645

The important points of this article:

The separation of these two posts was about 350 metres and FIA race director Charlie Whiting has made it clear to drivers since lights were introduced more than five years ago that when there are consecutive signals from both a flag and a light, it is the first one that counts.

So if, for example, a yellow flag is displayed followed later by a yellow light, then the no overtaking area begins at the first yellow signal which would be the flag.

So, as happened in the Vettel case, if a driver is given a green warning flag followed by a green warning light, it is the first green that counts.

Vettel's pass took place after the first green flag but before the green light, so was wholly legitimate.

This was why race control was not informed of any potential infringement and the matter was never subject to a post-race inquiry by the stewards

 

Here you go Ian:



F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone: Vettel pass furore a complete joke
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, November 29th 2012, 16:58 GMT

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone believes the controversy over Sebastian Vettel's overtaking move in the Brazilian Grand Prix is a "complete joke".

Vettel took his third championship after finishing in sixth position in Brazil, but rival Ferrari said it was reviewing video footage allegedly showing the Red Bull driver passing Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne in a yellow-flag sector between Turns 3 and 4 on the fourth lap.

Since then, however, the FIA has made it clear there is no case to answer as it was clear a green flag was being waved before Vettel completed the pass.

Ecclestone believes the situation has detracted from what was a thrilling end to the season.

"It's a shame because everything had gone so well," Ecclestone told the Telegraph. "It was a super race, a super championship. Now everyone is talking about this. The problem is that no one knows what is going on."

Ecclestone is convinced nothing will happen despite the controversy.

"Personally I think it's not really like Ferrari to do this. I think they badly wanted to win. But if you want to go back and see what Ferrari have done down the years...

"But nothing will happen. What can they do? Take civil action? Maybe. But the case is flawed before it starts. Nothing is going to happen."

The F1 boss also feels Ferrari's call for a clarification comes too late.

"In the rules and regs normally you have to protest. They [Ferrari] missed that time," said Ecclestone.

"Then there is the fact that a green flag was shown, which nobody seems to dispute.

"It's a complete joke. What they are saying in that letter is wrong. I don't think there needs to be any action taken. It's completely and utterly wrong."

 

Bernie certainly has an opinion of this?? Not too flattering words for Ferrari he has.

 

Gotta love this response from Bernie:

"But if you want to go back and see what Ferrari have done down the years..."

 

Actually I think that would make quite an interesting book. Do tell Bernie.

 

Thanks man!.... All will be well in my life again come Saturday and a new month.

Thx also to fire-n-ice for the Telegraph version.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Bernie is pissed and rightly so. This final race was completely unscripted and an absolute epic closing to the season and all people are talking about is if a pass was legal yes or no. Sad.

 

I was being extra careful at the beginning of the month...went over it so quickly. It helps if you have a mate who works at an ISP though and neatly changed my IP for a little bit...but then I went over again, lol!

 

Finally an expert - thanks for chiming in!

 

He always looks that way.

 

yellow green yellow green

whats all this now, things much simpler if they keep things simple

what next, a long list of complicated flag rules for next year?

jeeez

 

No win is Ferrari's reality. The call had to be made on the track and it's difficult to believe Ferrari wouldn't have a team watching the race via camera in case the inevitable occurred.

 

And now the PR fallout- http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/361518
Unfortunate.

But Hey - at least Flav is back!

 

There is hope for 2013!

 

Not remotely an expert, flags trump lights. Ferrari is [edited -- no P&R in F1].... Full of themselves, and just full of s**t. Emabarrassing when you consider the BS Ferrari has tried over the years. They lost the WDC and the WCC fairly, well as fair as it can be in F1.

Vettel won the election, but mostly because Ferrari gave it him by building a mediocre car and hiring an admitted cheat as their driver. Yes Alonso is the best driver, better than Vettel by a hair, but Vettel had the better race car, and the better attitude.

Karma rules. LdM and his boytoy Alonsohole do not.