The Cheeta LIVES!!

Thats funny. Really funny. But wholly inaccurate.

 

Boy, this thread is STILL going nowhere.

 

quite a shame to such a noble brand.

 

MTI?

Lots of Lamborghini model threads around here that are informative, helpful, insightful and useful, all with great text, technical illustrations and images as good as you'll see anywhere on the internet. One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch! Anyway, in my opinion this thread has actually been VERY informative!

 

There are aspects of these thread and others that are informative and other aspects unbecoming of enthusiasts or professionals. Your "one apple" comment is indicative of the thread bullsh(t I am talking about. Get it?

Geno

 

I get it, my one bad apple is in reference to a THREAD that is all positive, versus lots of threads that remain very positive. It is what it is.

 

So, if you want history not to be misrepresented, please start rewriting your so-called 'Bible' which is full of errors. Luckily, I never bought the book and I don't have to tell you what errors you have written. You take responsibility of them, but everytime saying you just stick to your affirmations, doesn't make you a worthful historian, on the contrary.

 

"Bible" was the publisher's choice against my wishes, and you'll know if you've ever published a book that the publisher has some leverage at point of publication.

Full of errors? Nah. Its been world-wide acclaimed in the public domain by enthusiasts and other historians alike for 5 years and we caught 2 or 3 errors and changed them in subsequent editions. Unavoidable in such a bog publication.

http://joesackey.com/the-lamborghini-miura-bible/

Meanwhile, feel free to publish your own Miura book in the version that you think is correct.

Its worth noting that your sentiments will have no bearing on making the docs that are conspicupulsy absent on this thread, appear.

 

I have never read your book so cant comment on whats in it...and to be quite frank I dont proclaim to be a Miura expert so not sure I would be able to note the mistakes...

I do think "spinning" the blame of the Title to the Publisher is plain old BS....It bears your name and you cant tell me somone MADE you do it AGAINST your wish.... you still put YOUR name on it....and unless you signed your rights away to your name..it could have been something else...I am sure there was no monetary thoughts invloved.

AND why this has anything, as you "Jab" at again to do with me is just plain stupid way of AGAIN, deflect the posting and just continue your child like "jabbing" at me...

For the who knows HOW many times I have said this...if you think my posts are in-accurate or with out merit...then you as you constantly claim...the self proclaimed expert and protector of the Lamborghini World are more then free to dis-prove me and dis-credit me.......

 

I believe he does just that with great frequency.

 

So lets get back on topic: so how long do we have to wait to see affirmative documentation? August 2013?

Just want that clarified.

 

I wonder how much glue one gets from a "Dead Beaten Horse"?!.....Mark

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZtyvlzVm7Y[/ame]

 

Built by Lamborghini or not, I think that it is still a significant piece of the Company's history as it was the obvious catalyst for the LM series, and if the new SUV is built, could be a significant part of someone's collection as such.

 

Agreed.

So far as its "story" is represented accurately, all is good.

 

I've read the entire read. Yawn. A little controversy can be good for business. No doubt the Cheetah (maybe 'Cheatah' would be more appropriate) will sell for a good price.
As you were

 

So yesteday I was getting a recall done and was reading Lamborghini Mazagine #10. Had an interesting article about the Cheetah and LMs which I've included below - typos are mine.

-mick

From Lamborghini Magazine #10 "Breakout".

In retrospect, the birth of the LM002 was based on a misunderstanding. Actually, when the chiefs of staff of the United States Army had issued an invitation to bid for a tough, indestructible off-highway vehicle they did so with American producers in mind. But then Lamborghini managed to get involved. In those years, the Italian luxury brand was bouncing like a ball amongst various owners. Founder Ferruccio himself had pulled out of his company at the end of 1973, and his successors thought it a good idea to bid for this potential successor to the Jeep via the U.S. company of Mobility Technology International.

The result was codenamed the Cheetah. The Italians themselves disliked the 5.9-liter Chrysler V8 engine specified by the Army, but the off-roader looked great and impressed visitors to the 1977 Geneva Road Show. Being a genuine sports car maker, Lambo installed the V8 engine behind the passenger cabin, whilst a fiberglass body kept the vehicle's weight down and a sophisticated independent suspension ensured appropriately sporty road holding. This typically Italian combination tended to confuse the American generals, however, and in the end a Hummer forerunner with comparatively simple technology won the contract. In fact, the only Cheetah ever built was destroyed during brutal test drives in the California desert.

For the time being at least, the dream of an additional main product line was put on ice. It wasn't until July 1980 that memories of the Cheetah and the money invested in it were rekindled. At the time, the newly founded company of Nuova Automobili Ferruccio Lamborghini was thinking about the possible new areas of business (in a year when a mere 64 Countachs were sold and delivered). In 1981, chief engineer Giulio Alfieri created second version: the LM001, which was equipped with an American Motors V8 engine. It also had a rear-mounted engine and had no chance of being implemented. But the company needed to somehow revamp and expand its rather slim portfolio. So pursuing a different line, in 1982 it proceeded to equip the Countach with a 5-litre V12 engine. This mutated it into the LP5000, for which the Jalpa 3500 (already presented in Geneva in 1981) was now to serve as the entry-level model.

Lamborghini also ignited the third stage of the martially styled SUV as the LMA (Lamborghini Military Anteriore) - for the first time with the Lamborghini V12, which rested comfortably above and to the rear of the front axle. The Countach's 375-horsepower V12 engine was installed, and the standard all-wheel drive was replace with rear-wheel drive with additionally engageable front-wheel drive. But before the series production began, the LM002 passed through another intermediate version designated the LM004.

The model was characterized by considerably more work on the details, a wheelbase extended to 3 metres and a powerful V12 engine with a displacement of a whopping 7.3 liters that had actually been developed as the basis for the company's now-legendary marine engines. But this extra-large SUV remained a one-off, a fate it shared with a ten-seater estate car built for the Sultan of Brunei.

Things finally got rolling in January 1986 at the Brussels Motor Show, where the LM002 celebrated its world premiere. Lamborghini proudly announced that the most powerful and fastest all-terrain vehicle ever could be ordered with a choice of 4.8- or 7-litre engine, adding that Sant'Agata was already being swamped with orders from the armies of various Arab states. The first statement never came true; the definitive series version, with 5.2 litres, was exhibited at the Turin Motor Show in the Autumn of 1986. Production of it began at the same time, with 23 being delivered by the end of the year. This kicked off small-scale production of a total of 301 of this exceptional Lamborghini over the course of seven years until 1992, when the last 12 LM002s rolled out of the factory.

This model still fires the imaginations of Lamborghini enthusiasts today, which its unique, radical design - it has never been forgotten, either at the works or by the company's customers. As an irony of history, it also catalysed steadily growing enthusiasm on the part of those who were searching for a larger SUV. The Hummer, which was then in its heyday, served as the inspiration for a more or less civilian-like road version - and its successors continue to show today that the niche model from Sant'Agata at least slightly altered the course of automotive history.

As always with Lamborghini, celebrities stood in line to get their hands on this beefy off-roader with its angular body as soon as they could. The vehicle with serial number one was secured by King Hassan of Morocco, and Formula 1 Champion Keke Rosberg acquired one as well. Austrian Alpine skiing hero Werner Grissmann initially signaled interest after testing it for Playboy Magazine, but then got cold feet at the prospect of shelling out the exorbitant price of what would be close to 200,000 euros in today's currency, enough to buy a pair of Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxers. He couldn't be accused of cowardice, though; being a world-class downhill skier who was used to steep slopes and high speeds.

There is no question that the LM002 had the genes of a desert fighter, and the 5.2-litre V12 that was ultimately installed in the series version was also a respectable powerhouse with its 455 PS (335kW). It catapulted the 2.7-tonne 'barbarically designed desert limousine' (according to the German magazine auto, moto und sport) to 100km/h in just 8.2 seconds with a high-pitched whine and the drag coefficient of the Eiger's north face. None of the LM002's 301 initial owners were bothered by the minimal seating room for its four occupants, who were also considerably separated by a gigantic middle console, or the fact that there was an open loading bed instead of a boot. Prospective buyers were advised to purchase aluminium cases that could be strapped onto to it. Endangered sheiks ordered some of the vehicles with armour plating, which reduced the top speed somewhat while also increasing fuel consumption - but that wasn't really a concern, as anybody who saw an LM002 approaching in their rear-view mirror tended to pull over instinctively.

Insiders know that driving the LM002 was by no means a walk in the park. Its tyres were not yet able to combine off-road suitability with high speed and a kerb weight of almost three tonnes. But those who knew how to tame the beast soon learnt that whilst this was 'the first car without any signs of designers' (according to 'Car & Driver'), the LM002 was a true Lambo that delivered unrestrained driving pleasure complemented by an excellent truck-like view. Try parking an LM002 in a high class shopping street: the resulting crowd could probably only be matched by the pope himself riding in a popemobile.

 

Complete fabrication. Lambo didn't decide on the location, or install the V8 engine. The vehicle that MTI had already conceived, designed & built based on another vehicle was already completed as a mid-engined vehicle before Lamborghini got involved with it. The fact that MTI was sued for outright copyright infringement by the principals of the vehicle its mid-engined spec was copied from, is proof of this.

If anything, this piece lends credence to the misinformation that was started and has existed for over 30 years about the origins of the Cheetah, and Lamborghini's involvement.

As we know it Lamborghini's real involvement with the Cheetahs was a set of promises, and a few mechanics assigned to tinker with it when it reached Sant Agata. Until we see definitive proof otherwise.

Nevertheles, thanks Mick for taking the time to share this.

 

Yes......now we are saying that Lamborghini..who writes, prints and has full control of this Publication from their factory is involved in writing and spreading complet "false" claims in relation to Lamborghini...AND putting it in print..

Guess you can't take anything in print for fact...not even the "Bible"...LOL


As we know it Lamborghini's real involvement with the Cheetahs was a set of promises, and a few mechanics assigned to tinker with it when it reached Sant Agata. Until we see definitive proof otherwise.

So says thw writer of the "Bible"

 

Which is more controversal: The Cheatah or the that "prototype" FI system in that silver car? (Which to my understanding the owner purchased the carb set up to convert)
Which is more Lamborghini?

 

Lamborghini doesn't care to much about the history of the Cheetah prototype that MTI built and the article shows it. Lamborghini has however made your Cheetah more valuable in its quest for mag filler material (they must be scraping the bottom of the barrel with this content) as they state the only one ever built was destroyed in the desert!

 

More like FMC specified engine location. I think Lamborghini gets credit for this simply because of its history with mid engined sports cars...

 

You have willingly, even boastfully told us on these threads that you have not read a book since high school. Well, that much is clear every time you post about anything factual. In case you haven't learned yet: Lamborghini were world famous for publication of erroneous material, and for poor recounting of data.

Spouting off does not gain you any standing as a credible source, all you accomplish is the world's best job at making yourself look ignorant where anything associated with the history of classic Lamborghinis is concerned.

The bottom line here is, you have made a series of false claims ar the beginning of this thread, claims that you cannot prove or substantiate.

By the way, when's your book going to be published?

I thought not.

 

Correct, you cant have it both ways. If the old copy material is to believed, then the original doesn't exist, and that much is reported by literally dozens & dozens of sources. I guess they were all right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Cheetah

 

That is your thought's on the matter..and everyone has a thing or two to say about everything..I guess we just have to wait and see this summer..and let each make their own descicion of this and that..but no matter how you want to paint the picture to your view..there is no saying this vehicle had nothing to do with Lamborghini....

As far as a a book...I have no need to pay someone to print my thoughts...I am happy with who and what I am.

But while we are on the subject of PRINT and the like..let me be ignorant again if you allow me...I have always wondered about this, so might as well ask??

What the heck does in your avatar signature mean

F1 Two time World Champion mean??

Maybe you can educate me on this ...

Becuase I SURE as heck dont know why mine says F1 Veteren NEVER had anyting to do with any F1...so must be something from the board that they attach that I have no idea what it is...other then misleading to the general public..as far as I am concerned the notation to me as F1 should be removed by whomever put it there..