Hi Guys Just want to pick your brains here. Finally after years of 360 ownership I've got the dreaded F1 gearbox issues. 2003 f1 coupe First couple of times something went wrong I was coming to a junction changing down through the gears got to first or second and the car then suddenly slammed into Neutral lots of dash lights come on, beep beep beep, engine stalled and gearbox dash light flashes. Today I took the car for an hour long drive nicely warmed up and the error changed slightly. pulling onto the motorway I'm in third gear and go to shift up and nothing ... Won't go up or down the gears, car is stuck in 3rd. I limped the 360 along in the slow lane for a while and after a couple of mins it cured itself and started shifting fine again. About 3 miles from home it did the same thing and once again when I pulled up on the driveway all 3 times the gearbox light slowly comes on then off on dash and I can't shift gear. I turned off the car and tried to restart it ... Nothing. Stop the car leave it for a bit to cool down on the drive and now it's working ok again. 5 times now so I need to figure this out and fix it before I get stranded somewhere. From memory it's one of a few things that are possible causes 1) Relay fried .... Note here as preventive maintenance I put a new one in about a month back so this is my first port of call to switch it back to my original as it could be a intermittent duff one I've installed. Again never had this problem until last week. 2) f1 gearbox pump/motor. ..... From knowledge/records mine has never been changed. 3) sensor 4) clutch .... Not sure what my clutch wear level is at. 5) possible TCU pis parameter settings gone wrong. 6) f1 fluid levels .... I Need to check these Any ideas welcome. Would like to know if anyone else has had the same symptoms Cheers Scott
Heres a video of it stuck in 4th ... as you can see pulling the up or down paddles has no effect. Also you can see the gearbox 'red' light slowly blinking on the right hand side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2yMattFIE0&feature=youtu.be
Yikes. I've had some F1 troubles, but none like that. Wort I had was popping into N on shifts. Gotta ask thou, never seen that symbol in the bottom right of the tach which looks like a pan and what looks like water splashing out. What is that?
Ha ha yes my dash is light a friggin xmas tree with all the lights at the mo. That one is very simple, it just means i need to had water for the washer jets (front bottle under the bonnet lid)
Well I doubt that low washer fluid is the issue.... Don't want to insult you, but have you checked the F1 pump and the fluid level?
No insult taken at all my friend .... sometimes its the simple things that get overlooked Ive just managed to get the car back in the garage and back in the warmth so tomorrow i will be looking though the obvious items and running some tests before spending any money.
Scott, I experienced almost the same problem last week. Shift to neutral, tranny light on dash blinking, only first and second gear available. Turned the engine of and now it will not start and the CEL and tranny light is on. F1 pump is working so not the relay or the fuse. New clutch, sensor and throw out bearing 12 months ago all documented by FofSan Diego. Annual service with all belts and fluids changed six months ago. New battery. 13,000 miles and meticulously maintained. Reset with battery switch. Nothing has worked so far....being picked up tomorrow and will advise with tech recommendations when I know something. Cheers
This could be a number of things. I had the stuck in third syndrome with a 360. It ended up being a bad potentiometer in the actuator. However, it could be the actuator itself, or even the centering of said actuator (takes a special fixture to recenter). What I have been told is that when the F1 fluid is not renewed on a regular basis the seals internal to the actuator wear and allow this exact fault that you are having. That would be unfortunate. However this may take further diagnosis before you will know for certain.
That would be the first thing I would do, swap back the old one and see what happens (after checking fuild level) I would assume a error from the pump/motor would not allow shifting and not create the xmas tree effect on your dash and it would be consistently bad.(just a assumption) unfortunately, this could be it. Just like the pump/motor a worn clutch seems to prevent selecting gears but not the xmas tree on the dash. how can that happen ? I think low fluid would make for a consistent problem. now for another idea I had very similar issues when I first got my 360, over the first week I had the car get stuck in gear (even been on the 405 stuck in 2nd gear ? I have, finally made it to the offramp and the thing started shifting again), I had the xmas tree on the dash. While I was stuck in gear I had the F1 light on the tach along with other lights, one time I got ant hills under the wheels on the ASR, a reset always fixed the problem and it would return a few hours later or the next day. A few times the car stalled and once even did not restart which is I found the problem. I had loose battery connections at the battery, not loose enough to keep the car from running but enough that I would go over a bump and it would cause everything to go off, the motor would keep running only because the power went off for a second or less and being in gear was effectively re-starting the motor, the times it actually stalled was because I was going too slow. The split second loss of power each time really confused the F1 system. Proper connections and ALL my problems went away.
Have a look at the PIS setting, may have gone wonky !! Was it wet/damp when you were driving ? I had an issue on my old 360, fairly similar and ultimately tracked down to ECU fault and new one required. Pretty sure hooking up to SDX machine will highlight problem.
Scott- Check the battery cables and make sure they are tight. Especially since you just had the battery changed.
Yes, 100% correct! I have, countless times overlooked the obvious. I know that's where I would start. When these things happen too me I panick and "assume" it's major, when all I needed a was a 10 mil spanner
So had a bit of free time today, so started to tinker with the 360 and try to narrow down this problem.
1sti checked the battery connections (I thought this was a good suggestion as recently heard a rattling noise coming from the battery area and thought a connection could quite possibly be loose) ....alas no joy, all connections good and solid, reseated them for good measure anyway. Result = Not caused by loose battery connection Image Unavailable, Please Login
Next I checked the Relay. As mentioned above, as preventive maintenance I had switched the Relay for a new one within the last month as these are known to go bad over time. powered down car, switched Relays back and let the car do a self learn cycle. Result = After car was warm still go problem = NOT RELAY pic: New relay internals also took a look at my old relay and this as looks good Image Unavailable, Please Login
Test 3: F1 Fluid level Again a sinple one that I could have easily overlooked as if im honest I cant remember the last time I checked the level, however hopefully this is something that is done during last service (May 2012) NEED ADVICE - looking at the fluid to me it looks quite a brown colour under my garage light in the tank. Is this correct ? Could someone just take a look at their car and see/pic if its the same colour as mine. Result = level ok ...... Colour Unsure ????????? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Test 4: TCU test At this stage the simple stuff seems to be eliminated, so time to start digging deeper. After hunting in my loft amoungst the vast number of 'ferrari' labelled boxes of spares I love to hoard, after an hour I eventually found my old TCU. TCU modena f1 part number 197533 again powered down the car, installed, then left the car to cycle through its self learn program. Result = Its not the TCU !! same issue and becoming more frequent now when the car is warm. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
So thats it for today. I do have a spare f1 pump, im not sure of its condition and wondering if there is any point trying it. The current pump all sounds good when car is cold and door opens, sounds like it fires up no problem and as mentioned if the pump was faulty wouldnt I see this as a constant fault not intermittant ? One thing is sure that when the car os warm the fault not appears quite frequently, when the car is cold it works fine. I took it for a 15 min run this morning and all good.
I still think it could be the pump. I believe you can change it without re-priming the system, I believe Yuri had a DIY on that process. I believe you just remove 2 of the 4 front screws on the pump head, the ones that hold the motor to the pump head, then just slide the motor out the back and slide in the new one. They do fail, so this would need to be done eventually. The pump can be failing but work intermittently or when cold. It may be time for your trusted Indi shop to use their SD2/3
Could be; 1. Pump pressure. 2. Clutch wear. 3. Sticking clutch release; symptoms sound like this; commonly happens when hot.
So last night I had a bit more free time and decided what the heck ive got a old F1 gearbox motor kicking around in my spares so why not at least test it. having bought it a couple of years ago cheap was never sure if it worked so, did a qquick homemade test by hooking the terminals to the battery and sure enough all seemed to work ok. Then took the plunge and decided to switch them over (motor only). Actually it turns out to be a simple job. 1) remove rear engine cover (Stradale only), you then have good access to the motor 2) remove 3 x 10mm bolts 3) remove 2 x 15mm torx screws that hold the motor together (this splits the motor) ..... note here: lay a cloth under the complete module for 2 reasons being i) fluid spill (a tiny amount came out) ii) to catch any screws items that may drop. there is some kind of coupling device that can drop out. 4) remove plug connector 5) reinstall the new unit in reverse order Finished. I then ran a test on my F1 gearbox motor that had been in the car and it seems to have a possible fault (see video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4cQ75rGkpg&feature=youtu.be It was quite late when i finished tinkering and so didnt want to wake the entire village with me testing. So waited until this morning. Left the car for a good 15 mins this morning to warm up and then took it out for a drive, came back flicked through the gears a few more times and so far fingers very crossed .... no faults ;O) ...will keep you updated, but very cold and icey here so unlikely the car will be getting used for any major journeys.
Hi, any updates -- did this turn out to be the issue? I've just experienced a similar symptom with my 360 today -- basically it will go into F1 transmission failure after about 1 hr of driving. It happened at low speed (3rd gear) and then at high speed as well (6th gear). In the 6th gear it actually got stuck and I could not shift to any other gear; I slowed to the side of the road and eventually the car stumbled and died in gear. Leaving the car for a few minutes and restarting it shows no issue and it can go quite a little bit further with this problem. Checked and topped off the fluid so that's not the problem.
Sorry I normally make a habit of finishing these write ups with the final result. So in my case yes by fitting a new f1 pump it completely fixed my problem. I bought a new one from ebay for £250 and fitted it myself which took about an hour. Not a single problem since then. Hope this helps.
