some brief backstory on the beautiful NART Spyder: excerpt from: http://carsinpedia.com/car_day_archive_details.php?id=390 Luigi Chinetti was the man who made Ferrari in the US being the primary distributor until Ferrari developed its own dealership network in the 1970's. In addition to being the US distributor he was in charge of the US based North American Racing Team (NART) which was one of the leading privateers racing Ferarris. Another of Luigi's contribution to the Ferrari legend was the NART Spyder of The Thomas Crown Affair, the semi-official convertible based on the 275GTB/4. It is surprising that the 3Z came out of the same minds that brought us the NART Spyder (Chinetti) and the Aston Martin DB4 GT (Zagato). It is even more surprising that a 1961 Cal Spyder was sacrificed to give birth to the 3Z. Chinetti due to his close relationship with Ferrari was able throughout the 1960's to commission a series of one-off's including the aforementioned NART Spyder and a 330GTC Zagato. Image Unavailable, Please Login
And that, friend, is yet *another* entire rabbit hole, ie, the whole "Laurel Canyon" elite crowd that founded, in giant measure, the 1960s music explosion. Manson runs leaf and vine through many iconic figures. If you want to go down some deep rabbit holes, start here (but have your tin foil hat firmly glued to your scalp): Part 1: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCw7qgWUNDM[/ame] Part 2: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TStHHl94gM[/ame]
Fascinating stuff, but I am not sure where this could lead either given that the TITLES were stolen too. Hope they get recovered. @Carbon - does anyone know the serials of ANY of the cars?? PDG
http://www.whale.to/b/laurel_canyon_death_list.html Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation http://www.whale.to/b/inside_the_lc1.html ....anyway, back to our program, John Andrews
as someone who damn near rented the Wonderland Murders house, I know a fair bit about Laurel Canyon say no to drugs, kids.
Ah my bad. Did manson ever own one? Theres a quote where he says he did. But then again he says a lot of weird things in his quotes so......
No worries --it's arcane knowledge and can be confusing. And, no, Manson never owned a Ferrari. But his "family" used this on the two nights of their killing sprees of Tate & LaBianca: Image Unavailable, Please Login
This is as far as Manson got in his automotive ownership career: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7BgKwYIaW00
http://www.examiner.com/article/ceo-of-nasa-contractor-lockheed-knew-of-extraterrestrial-ufo-visitors CEO of NASA contractor Lockheed knew of extraterrestrial UFO visitors Lockheed "Skunk Works" former CEO knew the Roswell extraterrestial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. Bill McDonald. In an e-mail, dated July 29, 1999, apparently addressed to Lindemann, McDonald referenced an excerpt of a discussion with Harold Puthoff, founder of the previously highly classified U.S. remote viewing program. McDonald said: Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer and chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John Andrews, is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles. Andrews was a close personal friend of "Skunk Works" CEO Ben Rich -- the hand-picked successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly Johnson and the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk "Stealth" fighter, its "half-pint" prototype the "HAVE BLUE", and the top-secret F-19 Stealth Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him. Dr. Ben R. Rich confirmed: 1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector 3. Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft -- from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft 7. It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told [about ufos and extraterrestrials]. He believed they could not handle the truth -- ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the "international corporate board of directors" dealing with the "Subject" could represent a bigger problem to citizens' personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves. Lindemann added that Bill McDonald received the above information from Andrews from 1994 until their last phone call near Christmas in 1998. Lindemann also noted It should also be known that Dr. Ben R. Rich attended a public aerospace designers and engineers conference in 1993 before his illness overwhelmed him in which he stated -- in the presence of MUFON Orange County Section Director Jan Harzan and many others that We (i.e., the U.S. aerospace community/military industrial complex) had in it's possession the technology to "take us to the stars". See the complete letter from John Andrews and the hand written reply from Dr. Ben Rich. Hear more revealing testimony from Disclosure Project whistleblowers. NASA can not deny secrets discovered by UK hacker Gary McKinnon and many astronauts if it expects full funding from the Obama White House administration. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I believe John stated he bought the Miura new. In 1969 a new Lamborghini Miura was $20,000.00. That $20,000.00 adjusted for inflation is 127,000.00 in 2012. So the thought that "they (cars) didn't cost much, years & years ago", is a false premise....Mark
Marcel Massini has replied to this story on Ferrari Life. Can't post a direct link because of Rob's censoring. Marcel says the Ferraris involved are the following: It seems the cars were normally sold in 1994 or thereabouts. For pics of the cars, go to FL. I find this all very weird. Onno
Sorry guys I watched it about half way and couldn't take it anymore. It doesn't add up. Too many holes. Synopsis: Garrison Keillor interviews a guy about his very expensive cars that were stolen over a period of time, during which someone was vandalizing his property... during which he didn't move any of the cars to a more secure location, and which it seems he has very little if any documentation of him even owning the cars. But he owned them and they were stolen. I would expect that it would be exceedingly difficult to "wash" parts for a car of which only a few were even made..
Stephen's reply: Marcel Massini, You did miss something. The police have been treating John as a nuisance and have not wanted to take his reports thinking he is demented and making up grandiose stories about owning millions of dollars worth of cars. One officer told him that, "You don't look look like you've ever had a car like this and furthermore, you look like you never will." Next week, I shall be getting a timeline that will clarify the sequence of events and as complete an inventory of stolen cars as I can. I'll be posting both here in this thread. Stephen's reply: I don't pretend to know the whole story but I rode in these cars and know that John owned them, which is already more than the police are willing to admit. Their position is that John never owned any of them. I will be attempting to get an on-camera interview with the local Chief of Police next week to get the 'official story'. There is also the back story of the city's on-going battle with John regarding his property which I will detail in coming posts. It is impossible to read about these events without having a great many questions and concerns, as I do myself. I can say, however, that to know John is to understand immediately how this could have happened. One could argue that John should have had a guardian protecting him from himself and I wouldn't disagree--he is an easy target.
A simple DMV owner/s history search would "prove" or "disprove" John's ownership....Very rudimentary & one would think a primary FIRST STEP!!!.....Mark
I looked at this car in June or July of this year in SF. It is not "sort of blue" as Mr. Massini suggests. It has a blotchy covering of black primer over what was once a deep maroon paint job. The car is a steel body/long nose/2 cam. It was missing: grill, all bumpers, cam covers, intake manifolds, carbs (3 or 6?), air cleaner, distributors, fuel rail & throttle linkage, both seats, speedo & tach, steering wheel, left fuel tank, trunk cover panel and spare tire. I have some pictures I took on my phone.
Oh, the ravages of time and legend and mystery --how a car can embody so much more than just itself. I'd still like to see your camera phone pics (4redude), but this is from the other site, from a Massini post, from a thread of the same topic: Image Unavailable, Please Login