massive heist of John Andrews' Ferraris

It's simple...it's not a $300 purchase, it's a million dollar car. All the police would need to do is trace the money flow (which would not be cash) and they would find the whole very quick......

Like I said, no one came with a bag of cash to buy this car...

 

You don't get it. The owner, who had the car ripped off, won't have a deposit in his bank account records to support the sell/ purchase and that's his first line of defense, title or not

 

Everything points to a man not fully in touch with reality. Why give his story any credence ?

Ive seen nothing to indicate he is anything but an old man with mental/memory problems.

Thats not an insult and Im not trying to be a d**k...thats just the reality as I see it.

 

Execpt the guy who interview him as well as other have stated they have seen his cars....I don't, for a second, doubt his story

 

I never said nor implied he never had the cars...

 

Let's try again (sending from my phone so pardon grammar, etc)

The money trail or lack off will be proof that he did not sell the car. The current owner may have bought it from the thief but the thief would not be able to prove he bought it and then "grand theft auto" get it?

 

Does not matter if he registared or not, it 's all about the money trail. Again, this is high value stuff. I am certain that the car will be with him again very soon..

 

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Ballsy of this 'Sheehan' guy to take pictures while he stole this car !

 

Like an upscale episode of "Hoarders".

Some assembly required.

 

There are two sides to a transaction, not 1. Evidence is on both sides of each transaction.

Andrews claims that he has no titles, no tax records, no registration, no parts receipts, no insurance, etc.

Sheehan, who bought the Ferrari from Andrews, has all of the above, plus bank records showing that he paid for the car with Andrew's endorsement on the cancelled check from depositing the money.

OK, let's pretend for a moment that *every* piece of paperwork was stolen from Andrews as he claimed.

There would still be an annual registration bill mailed to his mom's house each year from the State of California.

There would still be an insurance bill mailed to him.

Unless...

Andrews actually sold the car, cancelled his insurance, and a new owner began paying the annual registration fees on the car!

If you indulged Andrews, you'd convince the police to subpoena the new owner's bank records for proof of payment, and they'd subpoena Andrews' bank records from 1994 for proof that he cashed the check.

In the off chance that everything that Andrews said was true, you'd find Sheehan's check deposited in a thief's bank account instead of Andrews. Pretty low odds of that considering the lack of paper trail.

Difficult to imagine that the police would do much more than recommend that Andrews be committed for his own personal safety.

Drawing attention to Andrews risks his freedom in his current mental condition, in my opinion. The hoarding photographs, living with his mom at that age...not good.

 

Can we just pause the debate for one second to discuss what someone must have been smoking when they did this to the dashboard of a 250GT SWB???

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Groovy.

 

time out !!!

this 250 SWB is NOT stolen, is NOT referenced by John Andrews in any way ... Marcel posted it in his comments about which cars he knew John had in his possesion... the 1994 sale to Mike Sheehan was in the normal course of business between them...

this is an example of misreading gone wrong... as many other comments have drifted from the realities leading to misinformation

 

You are correct. The car he talks most about in the video is the 275. It's going to be interesting to see if Stephen can come up with some sort of list and then see what Marcel or others have to say.

After seeing the pics of the hoarding I can see why there are difficulties with the City and why the police would have a hard time believing he owned any Ferraris. It's sounding more and more like he sold them and now doesn't remember though. Maybe, maybe not.

As for the arson and missing motor homes, holy crap that could have been anything that started a fire with all that stuff around!!

Edit: On the "other" forum Marcel posted the list that was copied above. In other posts Stephen says the the 166mm and 250 GT SWB were never at issue in this story. I asked if Marcel could comment on the rest of this list he had posted...

Originally Posted by Marcel Massini
250 GT Ellena #0847 GT, engine only.
330 GT America #5051 GT, painted black.
250 GT Lusso #5937 GT, painted red.
275 GTB longnose #08743, sort of blue. Today in San Francisco.
166 MM Berlinetta Touring #0026 M, red. Today in Newport Beach.
250 GT SWB Berlinetta #1849 GT, red. Today in The Netherlands.

Marcel Massini

 

with respect to Ferrari involved with the theft, there were only 3...

'65 Lusso
'66 275 GTB
330 America

there were more cars that were stolen from different marques, an exact inventory to be determined and presented...

 

OK, a simple internet search shows 330 GT America #5051 was registered to John Andrews until listed for sale at $42,995 in July on CarPlanet.com and sold in August: http://www.330gt.com/Detail/5051.html

Please note that the online for sale pictures below *seem* to be taken during the day at Andrew's mom's house.


The hood was listed for sale separately on ebay.com in July: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-250-GT-E-250GTE-Boano-hood-bonnet-/230819177363?nma=true&si=VojXBLjCDwcgE54xgyVUDHZiBrI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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