Is it time for gun control in America?

I'm off to get that spare gun from Charleton Heston .... should be cold enough by now

 

you expected a rational argument ?

 

If it's that simple why don't all stabbing victims simply run away?

Talk about lack of logic.

 

Thanks for missing the point. How about the dudes that light bush fires and hundreds of people die. Lets ban matches?

How about home made bombs? Using over the counter goods.

Fireworks? Last I checked you need a fireworks permit to purchase them in oz and every year without fail since they have been banned people around the state let them off during NYE. Why aren't the cops arresting these ****s? I know it's a $40k fine, it's not hard to work out who is using fireworks, just look up in the sky.

Lets not get into drugs because they certainly don't cause any deaths.

Mass shootings aren't common place. They are tradic events but not common. If you want common look at Mexico or Brazil or parts of Africa... ohh but those countries don't count How about Bahrain even with the BS going on there, can't stop us watching the F1!

You don't understand where they are coming from tho. If our PM introduced a bill and made it law without it going thru the House of Rep/senate, I somehow think you and others would get upset about it...

The only retarded comments I have seen in P&R are people wanting to ban video games.

I'm all for looking at adjusting gun controls but gun bans... no thanks.

 

hey wax, water off a ducks back here mate. I'm a reformed poster, no venom in these bones anymore.

I'm even mates with goober now.

 

The argument is not that it doesn't affect as many people, but that it doesn't kill as many people. Big distinction, and the attack in China shows exactly that. In CT, 26 attacked, 26 dead. In China, 22 attacked, 0 dead.

A study in Chicago on violent attacks showed that gun attacks were 5x more likely to result in death than a knife attack. So, they are not equal, and intent of the person is not the only factor. Method is as well, as studies and the contrast between the China and CT attacks show.

 

I missed nothing, you're the one that stated you could kill 27 kids at a bus stop and all I said was when did you last see a headline stating 27 kids were killed by a car ?

The worst accident we have ever seen in history is the 1955 Le Mans incident and ALL motorsport was cancelled for a time following this event and to this day Switzerland is anti-car.

But this massacre crap happens all the time and the gun crowd go wild if you mention removing guns from the equation

 

exactly, the Chinese survivors will all be able to hold and comfort their children, the poor parents of the US children are mourning their loss as are we parents from around the world

 

You may want to spend some time looking through this list.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#_
The incidents with the highest number of fatalities weren't caused by guns. Many more people killed with planes, fire, and vehicles.

 

The stats on firearm related deaths in Australia are here:
http://aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html

Couple of observations:
Those figures show that the death rate from firearms was reducing prior to the introduction of more restrictive ownership laws in 1996/1997 and has remained relatively stable since 1998/1998 ( ie no further decline since the "tighter" gun laws

The vast majority of firearm deaths are as a result of suicide

The number of firearm homicides has decreased since 1991, from around 80 per year to 47 in 2001. Handguns were used in 30% of those homicides (15 deaths).

Fully automatic firearms have never been legal or available for sale to the "public" in Australia, ever. Only the military and law enforcement have ( had ) them.

The ownership of semi automatic rifles & shotguns by the public was restricted in 1996 although it is still possible to purchase these types of firearms for an approved reason

Pistols have always had special licensing conditions in Australia and have never been freely available. The licensing process for pistols was made more restrictive in 1997 and again in 2002.

The argument that "no one" should be allowed to own a firearm is simplistic at best. For a start many rural people would have a strong case to own a firearm. And then, what about people that are interesting in target shooting ? Its a legitimate sport ( even at the Olympic level ).
If we embrace the "no good reason to own one" view we should also consider if the same argument was applied to high performance cars ( Ferrari's perhaps) - it could easily be argued that here is no need or justification for a member of the public to own a car that can do 2-3 times the speed limit, and that the only reason anyone would want to own a car like that is to break the law (speed).

Bottom line, I'm pretty comfortable with the firearms laws as they exist in Australia at the moment.

M

 

You didn't actually go to the link did you? Those were intentional, not accidents.

 

Stop being a troll.

There are many ways to kill massive amounts of people. The maximum with a gun has been 80 people in one go, it doesn't happen every year and that's with 7 billion people.


All the gun deaths in human history still doesn't equal the amount of kids that die from starvation but those kids don't count.

and ZERO people have died from using guns in sports. Thanks for missing the point again.

 

I agree, when do we get the buy back option from the govt ?

 

so you only read the nice posts ?

It's why I had P&R removed from my menu

 

At original retail price of course

 

Being Responsible is being responsible.

You could use your car as a weapon but you don't.

Having a gun in a glovebox or beside table or at the range doesn't mean you are more likely to go out and kill people. That's the missing link, that somehow every legal gun owner in the states is some sort of psychopath in training when in fact this isn't the case. Even the 10,000 handgun kills Scud mentions includes everything illegal and legal shootings of 300million people which has Mexico as a border country.

In California the towns with the biggest gun related crime come from counties that don't allow conceal carry permits.