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Discussion in 'F1' started by Fast_ian, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. MBFerrari

    MBFerrari F1 Veteran

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    Like your ideas, some good ones you have here.
    A few comments for me from your list would be:
    - Keep KERS we need more of it not less
    - Fan Interaction = growth of the sport - agree that F1 needs more of it, even if we have to pay for it.
    - They will never go back to manual gearboxes (they will use the excuse it is for safety reasons)
    - Love the 3rd car idea. Growing up we had fields of 28-30 cars and it was awesome.

    Easy to pick on anyone's ideas, but as a whole I like the rest of your list.
    MB

     
  2. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes but IMHO actually serves a good purpose. Racingwise and technologically for cars. I like it and it even appeases the greenies somewhat
     
  3. Spider360Matt

    Spider360Matt Formula Junior

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    I dont understand the question. We are heading out of one of the best, most competitve F1 seasons the sport has seen in a long time. More diverse set of drivers hitting the podium and racing and passing at its finest.

    What I would change is the need to change much of anything.
     
  4. Isobel

    Isobel F1 World Champ

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    My inspiration wasn't GP2. I'm a fan of the sixties, probably due to Mad Men..;).
    A few unknowns with Indy and F1 credentials, Fangio schooling some kid who will never make the big time....
    Excellent film quality for a change, plenty of recognizable drivers, the cars are fascinating (including the tow and spectator vehicles) although it isn't F1.

    Try and select the winner prior to the initial heat.

    My contribution to improving the season.....stretch it out with past events in the off season....;)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bztj3gkZoJU[/ame]
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    AFAIK, we've never had 3 car teams however. At least not in the "modern" era (?)

    I believe 26 is the maximum (except Monaco, 22?) with Bernie getting "hurt" if it's ever less than 18.

    Having said that, it is a neat idea!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :eek: ;)

    The OP was prompted by the almost incessant whining herein that F1 is, at best, not as good as it could be, and at worst completely broken.

    As we've seen from the responses (thanks to all BTW ;)), it ain't easy; We've got suggestions for more (or less) of pretty much everything - Aero, technology, brakes, tires etc etc - Some go one one way, others the other.......

    :) Well said Sir! I happen to agree; They're a little slower than at their peak, but as I've said before, so what? As long as they remain the quickest thing round a road course, I'm pretty happy.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    You saved yourself by the adjective "modern". Otherwise, yes, absolutely 3 and more cars. Just thinking back on the Belgium GP in the early sixties where there were 4 Ferrari shark noses. Not all the factory team, but still the same cars.

    Also in the not so distant era of the eighties we had "customer teams/cars". I was in Brands Hatch watching Desiree Wilson in what was basically a carbon copy of the Williams car. Oh wait, there was STR in the modern era running a carbon copy of RB.

    I believe the 26 max is true (although I miss the days of prequalifying on Thursday).
    However I thought his contract was a grid of 20 cars to any race organizer (not 18). And that's why I don't understand that nobody (Bernie and F1 fans on here alike) gives a hoot about HRT leaving. To me the more the merrier. Doesn't matter if they have no chance in ever winning a race.
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Indeed. And Super Aguri, as Isobel so nicely put it, with a couple of CPO Honda's. ;)

    Seems the "you've gotta be a constructor" rule is interpreted "loosely" when necessary!

    +1

    There's a few of us who have mourned their passing......

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. tifosi12

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  10. TurboFreak650

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    Bernie will probably just make a deal with him. Or more likely, the other fellow. :D
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Bernie IS the other fellow.
     
  12. TifosiUSA

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    1.) Don't delay the racing if the track is wet.
     
  13. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    + a bazillion
     
  14. Vinny Bourne

    Vinny Bourne Formula Junior

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    900-950 bhp target

    1.5l Turbo 4.0 bar limit

    4.0l N/A 15,000rpm limit (any cylinder config)

    unlimited fuel, fastest lap qualifying sessions, 1986 aero rules, FW14B/FW15C technology - active suspension, semi-auto gearbox, traction control, but no abs


    Back to fast tracks but with much greater safety for drivers and fans. Large gravel traps, impact absorbing buffers, catch fencing, and placing stands in the correct spots - away from where momentum will carry cars. Allow fans access to paddock between sessions (rope lines) and "general seating at tracks.

    These rules would bring back the best sounds of F1, the best looking cars, make it the pinnacle of tech again, and allow money to be spent on reliability of engines/gearboxes/brakes so that races would be competitive to the end with many challengers.



    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPGAx8FqoA]1992 Williams - best ever F1 car - YouTube[/ame]


    But if everyone had the same tech then it would be back to the driver (w/o abs) AND be the pinnacle of racing tech-wise.
    Williams' F1 technology (ABC, ABS, TCS..) from '92 on Vimeo
     
  15. TurboFreak650

    TurboFreak650 Formula 3

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    The early '90s 3.5L days were a time of great progress with paddle shift innovation and ever increasing redlines. Some of the greatest sounds ever were the Ferrari 3.5L V-12s and some of the best looking cars came from this era also. The recent "wart nose" look won't go down as a classic. :eek:

    Innovation is key to making F1 what it is supposed to be----the pinnacle of motorsport. Engine freezes for 4 years at a time ( :eek: ) do not contribute to this goal. I used to love it when a team would start out behind, but keep pushing more and more power out of the engine and the rest of the system to catch up.
     
  16. PSk

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    You have to be kidding Andreas!

    The quality of a race is determined by the competition at the front not by volume of entrants. HRT added nothing to F1, nothing at all, just like Virgin.

    I've watched many fantastic races in my years of watching F1 where the only cars I watched were the first two. My point: a quality F1 race only needs 2 cars with a good chance of actually winning.

    F1 is about quality not quantity ... I can get quantity at a discount warehouse.
    Pete
     
  17. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Without the back markers the show wouldn't be as much fun. Watching 8 cars circling is simply not worth it. Any good circus uses clowns between the lions and the magician.
     
  18. PSk

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    #143 PSk, Mar 17, 2013
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    If those 8 cars are really racing then I disagree. HRT and Virgin never did anything worth watching ... how can anybody finding watching them putter passed better than looking at an empty track (other spectators, chatting, eating, toilet break)?

    I do agree that Bernie's F1 is a circus though :).
    Pete
     
  19. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Keep in mind that today's back markers are much closer to the front than ever. Even a HRT is a marvel of engineering that outruns any other race car, except its F1 brethren
     
  20. Choice

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    Easy.

    As Adrian Newey has won the last three Championship's on the trot, I suggest he is seconded to McLaren for six months, then Ferrari, then M-Benz, etc, so he can eventually get them all on the same wavelength! Or, Drivers draw for a car on Friday morning, how about Fred in the Red Bull?

    Alternatively, no Wind tunnels/wings of any sort, a nice 3litre V12, a manual 6 Speed gearbox, steel brakes etc, etc. What did I hear you say, Deja Vu?

    Never has F1 been in such a cleft stick from a regulation point of view. All their computers will eventually come up with exactly the same answer- hence the cars will all look the same. Take a look at this year's crop, we are nearly there.
    I could always tell a 250F from a Vanwall, Lotus, Cooper, Ferrari etc. What we actually need is variety with minimal constraints put on the designer but the politics of the day (green) is all too obviously coming to the fore.

    (P.S. At least Valentino is still around to hopefully "gee up" Moto GP this year)
     
  21. JeremyJon

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    i hate restricted or more controlled race series' ....to me formula one is the pinnacle, the most exotic, the most innovative, the fastest, so open up the tracks, open up the restrictions & let 'em have at it!
     
  22. PSk

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    Good point, but they do not add anything to the quality of the race.
    Pete
     
  23. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    You define quality of the race by looking at the front. If you are a Marussia/Caterham/HRT/whatever fan, you look at the rear and find much pleasure there.
     
  24. starboy444

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    I agree. The quality of the Marussia, Caterham has been so poor, they barely make the 107% rule anymore.

    It would be interesting if F1 implemented a GP2 class (such as FIA GT races) where a lower calibre team could compete during the same race. Chances are very unlikely to happen....but would be interesting to see 32 cars race together.
     

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