THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

If you say so. Remember its not a race car ...
Pete

 

Ferrari may no long be the car you race on Sunday you drive on Monday but they still make road legal race cars.. Some numbers still matter a lot topspeed is no long one of them tho .... But there are still many other that do

 

Numbers matter. Even if they're only on paper.

 

As always the Ferrari will win on looks and the engine. Performance will be competitive.

 

How can you be so sure about the looks? It's a subjective matter. Ferrari have done a lot of great looking cars in the past, but their latest design language doesn't look so promising to me. They don't always get it right, so the "as always the Ferrari will win on looks" is not a rule.

Having said that, I still think the 'F70' will be a stunning looking car. Will it be my favourite out of all the other competitor cars? I prefer to wait and see the final monsters before I judge.

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The problem with designing your chassis is the money involved in safety regulations, meaning if Jim wants to drive it on the street here in the States he would have to have a chassis designed with all the safety of a street car to meet US regulations including those nasty current generation air bags that have stalled Pagani, then supply enough of said chassis to be crash tested and certified by the NHTSA ect. Or go the cheaper and easier route of buying a car that's already been approved for the States and put your own body and interior into it like P 4/5, which would be the way to go.

And I'm sure Jim would want to drive it on then street.....

 

918 group doesn't care. There car is done. A Friend of mine just drove it at las Vegas motor speedway. Huge ferrari guy, has owned a couple of enzos. Hates porsches... Said the 918 is one of the most incredible and impressive cars he has ever driven.

 

Over here you can still build kit cars or one offs, they don't have to be crash tested. Not the same in America?

Pete

 

Does not start production till September next year so still lots of time... Don't forget the moment the Enzo numbers came out they upped the HP on the CGT they need everything they can get if they hope to sell anywhere near 918 and just because its amazing to drive it could be well over shadowed once he try's a P1 and F70 but like anything time will tell... Just my 2cents

 

You can have both. Low rpm gasses are not beneficial to the diffuser, making the diffuser (and all other aero devices) work at a lower speed it the goal. Everyone knows about the bypass valves, they operate to essentially give the hotter, faster gasses straight out of the cats a quicker exit, bypassing the muffler/back box. The faster, more powerful gasses from the exhaust once the valves have operated could, and would be beneficial for the diffuser, being at the extermity of the car, heat wouldn't be an issue. So, a visual tailpipe for the low rpm and disturbing airflow, and a functional diffuser mounted set of pipes, for high rpm.

This has been done... Bugatti Veyron. Are Ferrari going to do this???

Then it comes down to location. Often you don't have to look far to see a direction Ferrari are taking, their current lineup can often give hints. If there is going to be a visible set of pipes, where will they be?

Well when the Scuderia came out, Ferrari mentioned the edge mounted exhausts on the normal F430 disturbed the overall underbody airflow upon exit, so they moved them in, and up. This saved a total redesign of the gearbox, sacrificing a lower, more central tailpipe exit, like the 458.

My thoughts, a central, low exiting tailpipes for low rpm, and a set of tailpipes incorporated into the diffuser for higher RPM/ aero modes.


Mike James

 

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Great pic, thanks.

Hopefully this pic shows what I've tried to explain.


Rgds
Mike James

 

The way you wrote it was bang on but a pic does help....
I've been fighting to get people to see that it was an exhaust and not a light like the f12 and now with the addition of the diffuser it all comes together....

Now to work out the front and possible side layout... Will the sides be based off the idea behind the 458 ? And what inlet/outlets does the front contain ? Hmmmm

 

We hope we're right !

 

Hey, that's what I've been saying about the exhaust from the beginning.

 

If the exhaust was intended to exit the middle then more than likely the mules would show this, and they don't. The whole idea behind these prototypes is to test as much of the car as possible in real world conditions. I predict outboard mounted exhaust tips on the real car, and a rear fog lamp like the F12.

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Now that the mule comes to mind... any of the experts dare to photoshop the unveiled rear to one of the mule shots? It would help getting an idea of the proportions...

For starters, I think the taillights position doesn't match exactly. I too wonder about the exhausts, big mistery...

 

I would be very surprised if it features a central exhaust system.

I am almost certain that it will have an exhaust configuration like the Enzo and a rear fog light like the F12.

 

I'll repost this as I value important.

Anybody wants to guess what the black box does?

It's in the position of the discussed hole, it's well integrated in the carbon diffuser and I believe it's where the magic happens.

It could just hide a wing as in other F cars but my guess is it's the exit of the flow from the underbody fans, possibly running the entire length of he car through the central duct in the tub, also accelerating the diffuser flow.

Such a solution would make any exhaust gases redirection and wings redundant, although could be a concern for safety it it were to break down inadvertedly.

Finally I believe and hope the hole at the back is a fog light, aesthetically consistent with f1 cars and f12. Would look to me as a design afterthought if made in a tail pipe.
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Yeah could be the exhausts going out there, and the outer ones are just dummies. Would also explain the weird looking tail on the mule. Almost like it's breaking off or something.


My guess would be center exhaust.

 

Road P 4/5 used the same system as the Veyron's that you showed but it's value is the ability to deflect exhaust into the ground which lowers drive by noise levels at highway speeds to meet noise regulations.

Placing the exhaust to create aero efficiency works and is used by a number of manufactures but IMO "Blown Diffusers" aren't likely in a street car for many reasons Fuel efficiency being one of them. Revving the engine to produce downforce when the engine doesn't need to rev to produce hp isn't beneficial to CAFE.

 

We could build a car legally in the US that is as you suggested and register it for the road.

Manufacturing it for sale as opposed to building something for personal use is a LOT different.

We are evaluating a number of options including becoming the official team for a venerable manufacture in an expanded program for 2014 and if we do will build our Prototype to be road legal for my personal use when her racing days are done.

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I am quite sure that on rear edge we could see discrete ducktail (similar to 288 GTO)

 

... and the 599 GTO for that matter.

 

a bit more rounded.