I sure hope the new cars will be 2 seconds slower: Because if they turn out to be a lot faster, then the safety weenies will come out and get all huffy and puffy and the result will be more chicanes and even wider run off areas on the tracks (putting the spectators even further away). To the naked eye a car that is 2 secs slower a lap looks exactly the same as one that isn't.
+1 precisely. make em tough too. Think Rene Arnoux, Gilles Villnueve levels of bumping/pushing out there. Hairy chested man driving.
If the cars will be faster or slower will depend mainly on aerodynamics, not engine. And that's why the gap with the more aerodynamic lmp1 is alarmingly closing. While there have been discussions on the noise, I don't remind any complaints about lack of speed as the eventual gap is already been rectified by reversing the aero rules to come into effect in 2014. It's like in computers where the war of the MHz has been long replaced by parallel architectures, distributed processing, efficiency etc. Engines as chips are getting smaller and I want the pinnacle of motorsport to move in the same direction.
Although I'm very much with Tifosi12 and his opinion, I have a feeling 2014 cars will be right about in line with the previous year, but 2015 and beyond they will be quicker unless the idea of controlling energy harvesting for each circuit is regulated. Torque will potentially be greater with these new engines and aerodynamic possibilities will probably find a way of opening up with the new engine packaging. Someone will think of something, they always do.
I'm sick and tired of all the B:censored:ks we get every time there's a change to the regs in F1 with people declaring that his is the death knell for the sport! Then there's all the bull:censored:t predictions that the cars are going to sound crap!, be too slow, won't be worth watching any more, etc., etc. They're not even b:censored:ing about the season coming, it's about the season after next! What some seem to forget is that when it comes to the design teams in F1, they're dealing with the smartest brains in motorsport! - they will make it work! To Me, the off-season is about positive thinking for the season ahead, about new beginnings and learning the lessons of the previous season, not moaning and b:censored:ing about everything - being all doom and gloom! If people don't like the direction F1 is taking, bugger off and watch NASCAR!, because all the whinging, whining and b:censored:ing isn't going to stop the progress in F1 from taking place! So were the turbo cars of the 1980's! - car to put a 500 Abarth up against one of those mechanical dinosaurs?
I disagree. I can watch qualifying laps from the mid 2000s and the cars look much faster than today's cars. You ever notice how drivers rarely make mistakes anymore? Hmm, wonder why that is. Today's cars are so, so easy to drive compared to ones merely 10 years ago. Guys used to climb out of their cars at Malaysia and barely be able to stand up, now they're not even sweating... Hopefully more torque with these new engines will make things more interesting.
You probably think snow-plow front wings, endless concrete runoff, penalizing drivers for any on-track incident, 25+ million dollar race fees, and a SC everytime there are some rain drops is progress too. Glad you have your opinion, but let's refrain from thinking your opinion holds more weight than anyone else's. If I want to state what I feel about F1, tough ****! Get used to it. Don't like it? Take your own advice and "bugger off to another forum."
Based on this statement, I assume that you feel Formula 1 should be about front engined cars with no aerodynamics wings, no seatbelts so that drivers can be thrown from the car in an accident, drivers racing in polo shirts with a cork helmet on their heads, fuel measured with a stick dunked in the tank, drum brakes, carburettors for the fuel supply, bales of straw along the edge of the tracks to protect the spectators, wire wheels and skinny tyres, no run-offs at all, no medical centres, no helicopters to airlift injured drivers to hospital, drivers with the ability to burn to death due to the lack of fireproof overalls? I assume this because you seem to be totally against the direction that F1 has taken? Here's your problem - F1 has taken this direction and it's not going back! If you want to enjoy archaic racing, as I've previously stated, go watch NASCAR with it's big capacity V8's, basic aerodynamics and prehistoric carburettors! - F1 gave up on all of those things years ago! Thank you for the kind offer but I wont be buggering off to another forum because unlike some on here who seem to fear change in F1 and want to remain stuck in the past, I accept that Formula 1 has to adapt to modern times, with modern engineering ideas and I am happy to embrace the future! I don't claim that My opinion carries more weight than everybody else's, but it is a far more modern and flexible opinion than many being expressed here! Don't be such a ludite, take a step out of the stoneage and take a look at the modern World!
That's a gross exaggeration and an odd conclusion to draw. I don't see the sense in misconstruing my posts to that extent. Where did I say that? I said I didn't even hate turbo engines but then they have to go **** it all up with engine freezes and restrictions. Do I have to embrace that? No. I still watch the NFL despite the fact that it has been "dumbed down" over the years. I'll still watch F1 because I'm a huge fan, but I don't have to love everything that happens. You might call the things I mentioned progressing...I call it regressing. I think if you polled the entire F1 fanbase and asked if they're rather have big cc engines and less runoff/fewer penalties, testing, and more REAL rain driving vs. what we have now, the wide majority would side with me. Plus, who says they won't go back to higher cylinder count N/A engines? I'm sure no one thought they would in the first turbo era either...who knows what the future holds. FYI NASCARs are fuel injected and use ECUs from McLaren. Some of the technology in those engines is pretty amazing, they run at 10k RPM for hours on end using pushrods and make 900 HP N/A...but I'm sure you knew that right? Some of the technology in those valvetrains is every bit as exotic as F1. F1 is on the cutting edge already. You could do all of these fuel restrictions/ERS systems with bigger cc N/A engines. Nothing is overly high tech about a single turbocharger, sorry. LOL...
Phil I do understand your sentiments completetly. I was only kidding a bit. Im excited for the next season and have zero worry of the new motors. The previous 4cyl machines were very powerful and offered good racing.
Just to conclude: I know you were joking DF1 so no problems there. It just seems that there are a lot of grumpy old men on here who are very quick to knock F1 and declare it to be ruined or about to die the death because of future developments before they're even given a chance to come into effect. (To those who don't seem to enjoy F1 any more): At the end of the day, if you don't like how F1 is or the direction it's going in, go and watch something else! - It's not rocket science! Look at it this way, if you're in a marriage with someone you used to love but now they annoy you immensely and you simply can't get along with them, which option makes the most sense: A) Stay in an unhappy marriage with both parties being miserable and whinging about it all the time? B) Give up on the marriage, go your separate ways and find someone else who makes you happy? It's the same with F1, If you don't like it any more - move on and be happy watching something else! I'll say it again: It's not rocket science!
+1 I think there's a few here who actually enjoy being miserable. We've just witnessed two of the closest seasons in history with any # of guys in with a chance. But F1 sucks. The new powertrains? Suck. The tracks? Suck. The drivers? Most of them suck. Etc. I seem to recall the death knell of F1 has been predicted by these naysayers ever since I've been paying attention - And that's a *long* time now. As you said, I just don't get why they watch...... Cheers, Ian
Indeed. While I count myself in general to the grumpy old men category, I'm quite happy with F1 as it is. Granted there are many things that could be improved or that shouldn't be there (e.g. SC for wet starts) but overall it is the only sport I care about and I actually follow. No other racing and no other sport interests me (World Cup and Olympics excluded). And now that my least favorite driver is gone, it only gets better.
You really should temper your dislike of Karthikeyan! Don't get Me wrong, I'm now at an age where I can gripe with the best of them! However, when it comes to a new season in F1 (and especially a season coming up like the 2014 season with such major changes), I get really excited about just where the designers and engineers are going to take the sport next! (and us along with it!). New chassis concepts, new aero solutions, different suspension ideas, clever design/engineering solutions to take advantage of loopholes in the regulations. Who will get it right? Who will get it wrong? Who will develop it the best? Who will get it right, but then have it go wrong? Who will get it wrong, but then put it right? A "blank piece of paper" offers infinite possibilities, and that to Me, is something very exciting!
Frozen engines suck. The new ones will be frozen. Enough said. Most Tilke tracks suck. No testing sucks. Ridiculously expensive tickets suck and Nazi track security sucks. Lots of things suck about F1 compared to years past but the good outweighs the bad overall. Drivers? I think F1's field now is among the best ever. Too bad they have to drive such weak cars. Your problem is you think people are saying F1 is going to die anytime they criticize it and then use that as your key argument "well people have been saying that forever!" Except no one is saying that...
