Tired of whiney 3 pedal-ers

I agree. It is also important to have excellent examples of the art of both the paddle shifting manual and the manual clutch. To me it is no fun driving a slushy paddle shifter (PDK, R8) or a rubbery or balky manual shift (lots of examples). The Porsche manuals are excellent as are the last Ferrari gated shifters. Years ago I owned a 512BB whose transmission was of course very positive but could not be hurried beyond a certain point. On the other hand the F430 gated shift is a thing of beauty.

 

3 Pedal-ers should not even be posting in this Forum. 458s do not have 3 peddles. Get it?

 

And peddler don't buy 458s

 

I agreed.

The single clutch paddle is usually not great (R8). I found the Porsche dual clutch PDK is almost as good as the dual clutch in the 458 though. You don't like it?

 

PDK is great. Problem is the car looks and sounds like a Porsche (I own one).

 

I also owned a Turbo. I loved the car. You're right on when you bring up looks and sound.

 

I love 3 pedals... u can go kick rocks.

 

I'm rubber, you are glue, whatever u say just bounces off me and sticks to you.

Classic whiney response.

 

Yeah, maybe. Althoug I bet the C7 Corvette with both a NA engine and a M7 gearbox will give the 458 fits.

 

When shaped skis were initially introduced, many experienced skiers (including me) dismissed them as being too easy, not requiring all of the skills that we had developed over years of skier miles, not giving the true skier experience, and being a passing fad. Over time, we came to realize that they were better than straight skis -- much better -- and we learned how to make them enhance rather than detract from the skiing experience. Today, it is virtually impossible to buy straight skis.

To me, the DCT gearbox is similar. I was not interested in a paddle shifter at first, but then I actually tried the beautifully executed one in the 458. There is really no question that a car like a 458 is faster and more efficient with the DCT than it would be with a manual gearbox. Most people (admittedly, not all) who try the DCT like it a lot. I expect that a few years from now we'll be wondering why we made so much fuss initially about switching over.

 

If you don't embrace it, technology will run over you.

Sure lots of people miss the horse and buggy. Now it's a novelty.

 

+1 --- The good news is nothing rockets like my Porsche 997 Twin Turbo. My neck hurts when in launch control. Best Best

 

Oh boy you really shouldn't say what's the point of rev matching downshifts yourself. You were on a roll but that just throws all your other arguments about being an enthusiast out the window. Chevy was smart to allow disabling of the auto blip. Their customer base isn't ready for a 'computer only' option. Your statement that most Vettes sold are auto is also misleading they way you've used it. That 'may' be the case for the base model and in pure numbers, but the high performance Z06 and ZR1 versions are only offered with a stick and 3 pedals. That may change if they manage to source a DCT in time for the C7 Z06.

 

Regular Vettes come with automatic standard. Sticks are special order.

And Z06 and ZR1s are hard to find on a dealer's showroom floor. Most if not all are special order.

 

Mayor Bob, FWIW just having some fun and posted with a smile (was laughing actually). I have an 2004 3 pedal spider and just put a deposit on a 458 spider yesterday. Plan on keeping both so I can enjoy the old technology and the new.

 

That's the ticket.

 

I feel as if the people "whining" are arguing that they would enjoy the 458 (or any other present/future Ferrari) more if they had a choice to get it with a 6-speed manual. Not that the 458 is a bad car for having a DCT and that the DCT lovers are idiots..

You are comparing wanting a manual gearbox to wanting carbs, drum brakes and hand cranks?.. Some have said that F1 cars (whose sole purpose is to win races) doesn't have manual boxes.. Prime examples of some really bad arguments.
If you can't understand the difference between wanting to make you own downshift and prefering a modern fridge over one from 1960 then I hope we close this thread, fast!

TheMayor, you said in another thread that you didn't care that the MP4 had much more power than the 458, because it's not what it's all about. The 458 is more than fast enough as it is, it has that "it"-factor that the competition doesn't have (and I agree 100%). But isn't this pretty much the same argument?

The manual gearbox has something that a DCT/auto can never have. No matter how good or fast the competition gets, the manual box will always have "it". Even if it makes the car slower. And would the DCT equipped 458 become a worse car if a manual was offered as well?

 

It's interesting perhaps that as much as I love the 3-pedal F430, I don't think the 458 is suited for 3-pedal driving. It's as if there comes a point in the transition from analogue to digital, or as capability and speed increases, that it really doesn't make any sense anymore. Driving transits to a different kind of world where instead of the driver running everything, it is the driver and the technology in harmony. And the transmission is not the only technology, there is all the suspension and brake controls. It is simply a different universe. Maybe I should pick up a Carrera GT....

 

I found cable activated drum brakes and hand crank start fascinating.