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Restoration of Miura 1021

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  1. PSk

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    I wonder if the grooves go at the bottom because it is supposed to be the oil that takes the load not the bearing itself??

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  2. Red Head Seeker

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    Since the oil is feed through the main bearing oil passage, it would seem the best way to distribute the oil around the crankshaft, would be for the grooved beaing to be placed at the point of oil induction. I had built a number of both American & Foreign engines & have NEVER seen the grooves placed "UP"....Mark
     
  3. PSk

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    Hang on, are we all talking the same language here.

    1. We are talking about main bearings.
    2. The oil feed has to come in from the block, so has to be "UP" ... but yes when we work on these engines the block is usually upside down :).

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  4. Red Head Seeker

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    Hello Pete; I could have made myself clearer, you explained it BETTER!!...YES as in "Oil coming from the block", is where the grooved bearing would be installed...Mark
     
  5. alberto

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    Hey Laust. I'll ask Gary which way he installs them. A prior owner rebuilt the engine, so I do not know if he just put them in the way he found it, reversed them or what. Interesting question you guys have brought up.
     
  6. ferraripete

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    alberto, your car is in good hands with steve k. the paint will be spactacular!!!!!
     
  7. alberto

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    Hello Antonio, thanks for the offer. Miura 1021 was the first one in Switzerland. I posted its know history at the beginning. Take a look.
     
  8. MiuraP400

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    Unless you drilled your own holes in the bearing shells for the oil feed I am sure you installed them as intended.

    As PSK pointed out I was defining up to be the bearing shell that is installed in the engine block.

    Alberto, glad to see you posting again. I was wondering how it was progressing.

    Cheers Jim
     
  9. tritone

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    Alberto -
    It's the 'internet', everyone (behind their keyboard) is an expert! Bad as it is here, it's worse on other brand forums....

    What you are doing with your project is magnificent! I can relate especially well to your efforts, as I have just completed my own 5-year restoration of another Italian beauty, with sometimes baffling efforts to discover and recreate originality. For some relaxation, take a look sometime at my blog at » Blog Archive » JUST IMAGINE ?.. I think you will see kindred spirits at work!

    Thanks much for posting the project to date!
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  10. PSk

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    Amazing restoration!

    Part of the problem with the concours concept is the constant criticisim. But in the end you can only do your best!
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  11. surface master

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    Moving forward to primer. After we got the car back from the bead blaster we got everything thoroughly blown out. Following the metal prep, the complete car was sprayed with a rust encapsulator/converter. We got it so wet with the converter that it was weeping out of all the joints as we turned the chassis on the rotisserie. The complete chassis and cockpit went into the spray booth and baked at 95 degrees for 40 minutes -- this ensured that the material was dry and hard. Just to clarify, this material is very thin but etches all the metal and acts as an adhesion promoter as well. We seam sealed every weld, stitch weld and seam on the chassis including inside of doors, roof, and cockpit. This material will dry for 24 hours and then we will get it in a DTM primer specially formulated -- direct to metal.


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    James, I just spent 30 minutes drooling over your Riva blog. That must of been a labor of love. I believe I saw your Riva at Gas works Lake Union WA. I was Drooling then too! What a magnificent vessel . Congratulations!
    Those were very nice words to Alberto. I am very glad Alberto is using me for the surfaceing and painting on his Mira. Labor of love for me!
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  13. Solaris1964

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    Hi Alberto, Maybe you have it already, in Switzerland you can request the historical ownership listing from a central govmt. register, I put the form in the attachment. This would show all swiss owners, and details related to your car (Auskunft AA9 Form). Maybe they have also details about export dates etc.

    This is the link of the Swiss Federal Bureau that handle it: ASTRA - Fahrzeughalterregister

    Best, Antonio
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  14. raymondQV

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    Don't expect too much of this, since all the historic data is stored decentrally in the cantons and even there not all data is available for investigation.
    I tried the same to track my Mimran QV and didn't get any result, finally I called the registration office in Vaud and they confirmed inofficially that it was registred under his name, but no registration plate or from when to when.

    Since Mf. Hopf was a good friend of Peter Monteverdi we might find some data or pictures from the area he owned the car which wasn't too long.
     
  15. alberto

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    Great, thank you for the reference. I will try it. I contacted the Monteverdi museum years ago and they told me they had no records. I contacted his partner (don't recall the guys name) I was told they had no records, so that was a dead end. I cannot tell if the car was purchased by a Swiss national before it was sent to the US, or if after Dr. Hopf sold it, it went directly to the US. I suspect it went directly to the US, but I don't have evidence. The only hint is the Z series black plate that was on the car when it was restored by Menser in Monterrey, CA.
     
  16. ferraripete

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    amazing detail work being done on this beauty. great thread!!!!!

    i hope this take the omgjon direction of fully documenting the resto on this special car. it is a fantastic journey you are taking us on alberto.

    pcb
     
  17. raymondQV

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    Mr. Berger the spouse of Monteverdi.

    I'll ask my colleague, I think Hopf was quite often in Monteverdis Garage because the Miura had an issue and that was finally the reason he gave it away.
     
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    That project and your blog are fantastic. That has to be the nicest looking blog I've ever seen. The Riva? Words fail me.
     
  19. Solaris1964

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    #245 Solaris1964, Jan 25, 2013
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    Maybe some more detail for "historic search":

    Import: If you get - based on the ASTRA documentation - the 1.Canton name (Region) where the car was registered, for example BASEL STADT (Motorfahrzeugkontrolle Basel-Stadt) or BASEL LAND (Kanton Basel-Landschaft - Motorfahrzeugkontrolle MFK), you can ask to the cantonal registration office for more details. I was able to find even the Form 13.20 (see annex)from the 70ies, for my car, showing the details, data, dimensions, numbers, etc. of the car when in was imported in Switzerland, would be great for your car too.

    Export: When the car is exported, it can get a Z number if the car goes out being driven, see annex, and in that case it is important to remember the first 2 letters on the plate, as they represent the Canton (region) again, where you could also request informations. The example annexed shows SG 1859 Z. On the red part you have the year and the 7 (valid for July of that year). SG means ST.GALLEN Canton.
    Usually those numbers are valid 15 or 30 days. Probably on yours you had again BS (number) Z or BL (number) Z and can search for the export forms/car licence there too.

    If the car has been driven out to Switzerland, maybe went to the US over Holland (Rotterdam for example).

    Hope it helps, Best regards, Antonio
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  21. MiuraP400

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    That is a cool find.

    Cheers Jim
     
  22. CarloR

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    Very...Very cool old images of the Miura!
     
  23. alberto

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    Oh my goodness!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you Raymond, these are great even if it's not my car, but you have no idea how excited I am that you found some pictures of what may be my car while Dr. Hopf owned it. If I can confirm that this is Dr. Hopf's car, I see a few things that I want to look further into such as the one mirror on the driver's side (looks to be chromed), the rear CH sticker, etc.

    I do not know if Dr. Hopf is still with us, since I corresponded with him many years ago now, but I will certainly send him a letter to see if he can confirm via the license plate if this is 1021.

    Would you have any additional details of the pictures such as where they were taken and a date? Absolutely great period pictures.
     
  24. alberto

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    That would be great. Dr. Hopf's stated reason to me (via letter) was that he was unhappy with the performance of the Miura and he sold it to Monteverdi to buy a Ferrari. Dr. Hopf and Monteverdi had some sort of business relationship, I think related to racing. There are some references on the 'net of Dr. Hopf owning various race cars in the period. He major wrecked a Ferrari (someone posted pictures on Fchat once of the wrecked car, upside down) and that caused him to stop racing (again, stated to me via letter). Anyway, the more information the better.
     

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