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  1. soucorp

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    #1 soucorp, Jan 30, 2013
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    Been looking for affordable replacement tires for MondiPalooza this June/July.
    I found that Discount-Tires are alil more expensive than TireRack so I'll prob go with them.
    Bought plenty in the past for all of my cars thru TireRack and its been terrific.
    Anyways, has anyone recently bought a set for their cars. I know Jay did.

    Edited per Hank below:
    Corrected ----------------->Original Equipment Sizes for 1988 Ferrari Mondial
    Description Size
    Original Equipment Front Size 1:205/55- ZR16

    Original Equipment Rear Size 1: 225/55- ZR16
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    WHAT RATED MEANS:
    Speed Rating
    The speed rating of a tire is based on U.S. Government standards for reaching and sustaining a specified speed. Typically, a tire with a higher speed rating results in better handling. Speed ratings are determined via laboratory tests that simulate road performance at various speeds.
    Below is a list of speed ratings along with the corresponding speeds they represent. Remember that the speeds listed are test speeds and not recommended speeds. Speed ratings apply only to the tire itself, and not to a particular vehicle. Putting a tire rated for a certain speed on a vehicle does not mean that the vehicle can be safely operated at the tire's rated speed.

    • B - Up to 31 mph
    • C - Up to 37 mph
    • D - Up to 40 mph
    • E - Up to 43 mph
    • F - Up to 50 mph
    • G - Up to 56 mph
    • J - Up to 62 mph
    • K - Up to 68 mph
    • L - Up to 75 mph
    • M - Up to 81 mph
    • N - Up to 87 mph
    • P - Up to 94 mph
    • Q - Up to 100 mph
    • R - Up to 106 mph
    • S - Up to 112 mph
    • T - Up to 118 mph
    • U - Up to 124 mph
    • H - Up to 130 mph
    • V - Up to 149 mph
    • W - Up to 168 mph
    • Y - Up to 186 mph
    • Z - 149 mph and over

    If a listed speed rating contains two letters (such as VR), the first letter represents the speed rating and the second letter (R) indicates that it is a radial tire.
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  2. hank sound

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    Hey Mikey,

    If you're running 7Jx16 fronts and 8Jx16 rears, they should be shod with 205/55/16 front and 225/55/16 rear. Rear diameter shrinks too much if you use the 225/50/16 on the Mondi. BTW, that was used on the rear of most 308s and all 328.

    Cheers, Hank
     
  3. soucorp

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    #3 soucorp, Jan 30, 2013
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    Thanks Hank, again you are correct. I was using what the Tirerack website was feeding me, obviously they are wrong.
    Here's what is on my car, I have corrected the spec above. Models 3.2 & T using 7Jx16 fronts and 8Jx16 rears = (Front 205/55- ZR16 / Rear 225/55- ZR16)
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  4. Fcarhappy

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    Do most of you agree with 38 rear/37 front??? That's what my mechanic recommended. Just curious?
     
  5. soucorp

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    That tire pressure recommendation is also right out of the Owners Manual on my 3.2.
     
  6. gsfent

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    Remember, the speed ratings are for SUSTAINED speeds. So for most of us, an H rating (sustained 130 mph) is more than sufficient.

    Pressures are a bit of trial and error depending on driving style, suspension setup and particular tire. 37/38 is a reasonable place to start for street driving. Just monitor wear. If the center seems to be wearing quicker, too much air. If the outside edge(s) wear quicker, then not enough air. Pressure will probably grow 4-5 psi in warm weather.

    And check pressures every couple of weeks, or if there is a major change in weather (cold air reduces pressure).

    Regards,
    Jerry
     
  7. peterdavid911

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    Interesting topic about the tires and pressures.

    I replaced my wheels with 348 wheels and Continental Contact Sport 3 tires. Should I be using the tire pressures for the Mondial as in the handbook or 348 tire pressures?

    What do you guys think?
     
  8. soucorp

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    Hi Peter, you have to consider weight of the vehicle as tire pressure is based on that as well.
    Also if the wheel dimensions are not the same, your speedo calibration will be slightly off.
    I would compare the specs of a 3.2 coupe with a 348 spec and see how much of a diff you have.
    At the very least, I would think it should carry the Mondial requirements of 37/38 psi.

    best
     
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    Thanks Mike,
    I will look up what the difference in pressures are between the 3.2 Mondial and 348 and try both and see.

    Many thanks.
     
  10. Valenzo

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    FWIW. i have Michelin Pilot Sport II on mine as well as my Benz. Ive tried many different brands but seem to always come back to the M's. i really think that going middle to low quality is a bad idea. Go with the best and spend the extra money. I think they look better, ride and last longer too.

    My .02
     
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    #11 YELO T, Jan 30, 2013
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    Mike,

    I drove the stock Goodyear Eagle F1 tires on the original rims, then went with Bridgestone Potenzas on my 355 rims. If you like to drive your Mondi all winter long like I do, I recommend an all season, high performance tire like the Potenza. Goodyear F1 was ok in the summer on dry roads, but when the temp drops below 40F, most summer tires are unsafe. So far, I'm very happy with the Potenzas, and all of the independent tests I read, like Tire Rack's test, rate the Potenza ahead of all the other comparable tires.

    Keep in mind that our cars are a little different, and the rim sizes are different, so your results may vary. If you do choose Potenza, be sure it is the latest, most advanced model listed above. Also, ask your shop to fill the tires with nitrogen; you will have less expansion and contraction with temperature swings.

    Hope this was of help to you. Good luck!

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    I don't know they last longer, but Mich is known for being very round and very smooth. Most complaints about Mich are pricing, not grip or ride harshness.

    If you like the PS2, try the PSS next time. A 1/2 step above the PS2 in the dry, a full step above in the wet, about a 1/2 step below a DOT legal dedicated track tire (like Mich Sport Cups) in the dry. Are they have been priced pretty aggressively. You will be amazed!!

    Regards,
    Jerry
     
  13. soucorp

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    Thanks guys for your feedback. I'll do some more analysis before I buy.
    I may go Michelin V rated with 50k mile warranty, seems to be a good compromise. I put less than 3k miles last year so lasting long is not really a worry.
    I don't drive it in the rain or snow so all weather doesn't really matter but we don't get much where I live anyways.

    cheers
     
  14. PV Dirk

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    I'm running Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus tires. I go 31 on front 33 rear. No reason it's just where I keep them.

    Tires have been great, very secure in rain and snow. The tires are not a limiting factor in performance for me in dry weather either. The car with these tires exceeds my driving skill.
     
  15. hank sound

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    Take a peek at these General G-MAX AS-03 doughnuts - with a 480 UTQG. I have them on my Audi Allroad and am quite happy with them. They're Z rated, are very competitively priced, and have a very high rating. Additionally IMHO, they have a very sexy tread design. :)

    General G-MAX AS-03

    Cheers,

    Hank
     
  16. Wade

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    Mine still has the Michelin Pilots that came with the car when I bought it in Feb 2009; F 225/50-16 and R 245/50-16. They look new but I think they're pretty old and due for a replacement.
     
  17. soucorp

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    Hi Wade, your dimensions seem off from the book. Looks like the previous owner customized it or is the coupe in those specs for a 3.2?
     
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    #18 Wade, Jan 30, 2013
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    Yes, just a bit over spec. They look great though, as if they were intended.

    Maybe he was trying to replicate the original TRXs: F 220/55-390 and R 240/55-390.
     
  19. jgoodman

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    Check out kumho's as well. Z rated. Great traction. My wife's replacement run flat Michelin's were almost $900 more to replace on her minivan than the Kumho's were for a set of four for my Mondi. Zaff had them on his when he was in the Mondi. Solid tire.
     
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    This is the tire I use...
     
  21. mulo rampante

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    Hi Mike:

    I put Sumitomo HTR Z III (from TireRack) on the front after running Pzero rossos way past their wear limits. At first, with stock inflation, they felt like jello, after a few hundred miles they started to show lots of grip, and I now run high inflation pressures and they feel great. The Sumitomos are considered a "max performance summer tire". (BTW, the Pzeros were amazing but work only when really hot, tolerate a limited number of heat cycles, tramline as they age, and let's face it, most of the time I'm going to get coffee in the thing! So I did something sensible and bought more of a touring tire.)

    I have Hancook Ventus on the back, came with the car, haven't changed 'em since they're not worn. The combination seems to bring no ill effects. I'll probably put Sumi's on the back before Mondipalooza.

    One thing I do with all of my cars, including the three daily drivers, is to run tire pressures that are well in excess of what the label on the car tells me to do (but well within the tire's specification -- most have 50 lbs max. inflation pressure these days.) I think this works because all of my cars are much lighter than the typical cars that run the tire sizes I'm running, and I've noticed no excess wear in the middle of the contact patch as might otherwise be expected. If I run stock inflation pressures, all of the cars feel mushy and wallow into turns.

    Also, the Pilot Sports (in all of their variations) have always received rave reviews from the local guys here.

    BTW, I have 348 wheels.
     
  22. soucorp

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    Thanks guys for all the recommendations. These are what I'm looking at for all season tires:

    Goodyear Eagle GT (V-Speed Rated) High Performance All-Season
    You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) to drive your sports coupe or sedan in all weather conditions. High Performance All-Season $424 a set.


    Sumitomo HTR A/S P01 (H- or V-Speed Rated) High Performance All-Season
    You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) to drive your sports coupe or sedan in all weather conditions. High Performance All-Season $363 a set.


    Yokohama AVID ENVigor (H- or V-Speed Rated) High Performance All-Season
    You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) to drive your sports coupe or sedan in all weather conditions. High Performance All-Season $444 a set.
     
  23. ronfrohock

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    And I like them a lot. They have great grip and seem to hear up quickly.
    I recently put Sumi's on my 535xi. They lasted two weeks until I removed them and went back to Michelins.
    Ron
     
  24. Speedwasafactor

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    May have been asked before but tire alternative for the 240 55 ZR390?
    or do we change the rims??
     
  25. PV Dirk

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    Yes, the alternative to TRX tires is putting new rims on. A couple options are to look for factory rims, aftermarket look a like rims or as many do the 348 rims that look fairly sharp on the Mondial.
     

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