THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

All this is breaking my patience, can somebody tell us the exact day we are going to see the picture of the new Enzo in this thread.

 

I've seen, seen studied and talked with McLaren's engineers in depth and am basing my P1 guess on the level of downforce those discussions have led me to believe P1 will produce.

My F70 guess is based on that the laws of physics make it impossible for F70 to produce as much downforce as P1 without the HUGE rear wing P1 has. I also believe that P1's Active wing and DRS will give it a further advantage.

Having been involved in the design, engineering and racing of a car at the Ring that has 2800lb of downforce, pulls 2.8 G's, weighs 2950lb (ballast) and had only 520 HP Petrol (restricted) and (25KW) when it ran a 6:51 at the Ring I've come to believe that at The Ring Downforce is MUCH more important than HP. Both F70 and P1 will have great brakes P1 is lighter (Than quoted F70 numbers) and both will have similar tires.

Ferrari's factory 599xx effort turned a 6:58. If the poster here who stated Ferrari told him that the F70 will be below 7 minutes at the Ring that will be very impressive without a HUGE rear win but I still remain at 7:05.

The P1 will run there and if the poster here is correct the F70 will too and the bench racing will stop.

 

For some people there are a better place to post if they don't like Ferrari ...this place is McLaren forum.
Pure speculation about how faster Will be the p1 compared to to f150 at the moment are only...speculation...

 

A contact of mine told me that the F150 will come with a bespoke program (as other Ferraris) and there will be more options available compared to the the Enzo. One of this will be for example the rear camera and more carbon fiber trims. That's it for now.

 

I am confident that Ferrari's predictions are closer to the truth than these speculations.

 

So basicaly you have 0 information on Ferrari's chassis, Aerodinamics, and are basing your guesses on the fact that you think the McLaren will go 6:55 on the ring, and ther is no way for ferrary to go faster then that?

Also basing everything on your experience with a race car that produces almost half the horsepower, has silks, no diffuser to speak of, and abosolutly no active aerodinamics....

Yeah good luck with that...

Also your statnet about aero vs hp on the ring is non sensical.. the simplest and easiest comparison is the porsche 997 GT2 RS vs the GT3 RS.. both are 99% the exact same cars, with the exception that the GT2 has more horse power, and is over 10s quicker... no bench racing there pure facts...

 

I am really curious about these options and different versions that will be offered.

 

It will easily be the most powerful aspirated engined production car.

Possibly ever.

 

07 March 2013

 

Jim,

I won't be as blunt as others here as I respect your opinion, and you have helped me over time with problems on my cars, I hope one day to repay the favour, however; the Enzo replacement, as I've mentioned since day 1 does have a rear spoiler, and an active diffuser, that's just the rear.

There are many aspects of active aero on this car, front and rear, infact, there's an element of aero in the middle of the car too!

I've been fortunate to have some privilaged info passed to me, along with an investor product briefing at McLaren including P1, and as a prospective customer. Based on what both sets of engineers have told me, past form, and basic instinct I would hedge my bets on McLaren claiming better figures, but Ferrari testing faster.

With Regards
Mike

 

Until now, every ferrari was anticipated by some official photos. On March 7, there will be the world premiere in Geneva

 

pen artwork really looklike this one
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This is an old render...not bad

 

+100!

 

Not really, think it will look more like thiis:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142072521-post4999.html
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I hope she looks like that.

 

yes yes its possible
I just a note it
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Just saw this. Fantastic

 

Do you mean the Radical's 6:48?

 

Ferrari World design contest logo
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According to the latest rumours the F150 has a movarble rear wing with DRS plus an active (movable) diffuser!!! So I wouldn't bet agains the Ferrari...

 

Anyone know in which direction the 'mobile diffuser' moves? Curious minds want to know...

 

Mike

I agree that the F70 is classically more beautiful than P1. Both will have similar HP and weight. Both will have nice suspension systems and good brakes. Both will have good tires. Both will have a lot of active aero. Previously I have tried to explain why I think DOWNFORCE matters by citing an example of a 6:51 at The Ring from a High Downforce car with much less HP then these two. Taking the above into consideration I still believe that that P1's Huge wing/airbrake/drs system which is MUCH bigger that F70's rear spoiler will result in MORE downforce for P1 and therefore P1 will be faster at the Ring and stand by my predictions.

Those that want an F70 will get an F70. Those that want a P1 will get a P1. Those that want a 918 or a 960 will get one of those. Some will get all of them or some combination thereof and others will buy them and turn them into what they want.

Works for me.

Cheers


Flip

Some of the guys you worship want to join us in 2014.

Funny World.

 

did you see F70s spoiler? or you just make subjective supositions?

 

From conversations I've had with Ferrari's designers, photo's and other sources that I've found to be credible I believe that the F70's rear movable spoiler will NOT be anywhere near the size and downforce producing element of P1's rear wing.

Cal/Michael/Ferrari Michael/George/My Friend Tool Fan/etc./etc... any of you think the F70 will produce as much downforce as the P1 or that that the F70's movable rear spoiler will be anywhere near the size of P1's rear wing?

How about lap times any of you think that I'm wrong, that my lap times F70/P1/918 around the Ring are way off/wrong? 7:05/6:55/7:09? What you Cavallino Club members think?

One poster here says Ferrari says under 7 at the Ring. You guys agree with that? The Macca engineers told me they think they'll be around me (6:51) so I rounded a bit and came up with 6:55.

I also agree with Mike who has many Ferrari Supercars and is getting a P1 that the performance of any of these hypercars will be more than adequate for most owners.