365 GTB/4

This Canadian delivery (Yonge Steeles Motors) Ferrari 365 GTB/4 it appears, is still looking for a new home .
16997 is now at Ferrari of Silicon Valley @ $399k. It was offered by Sheehan a year ago at $379,500, blk/tan, alloys. Now it has original books and full tool roll.
It should have been repainted it's original silver color...
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Any general idea of the cost to to take this Daytona all the way back to original color? I ask because those that have done so may have discovered nuances that drive the price up or keep it in an acceptable range. Other model\brand cars that I'm aware of that have nooks and crannies that are easily accessible, but need to be painted, will run about 25K. What do you think? Thank you.

 

The problem is usually that after taking the paint off you discover there are some metal issues underneath, then the chrome looks un shiny compared to new paint, and then the window seals look old..and while you have taken everything apart,,,the cosmetics of the engine look as if it could be improved,,and the carpets and mouse hair and seat covers look quite non matching with the new color...

I have done twice in the past a full outside paint without doing a full restoration and I promised myself never again. In one case i did it all again several years later, in the other case I sold the car as I was so annoyed at the idea of re doing it again.

So my advice is to keep the car as it is or go all the way, because a half restoration means that at some point a full one will be needed to bring the car to concours condition. And there is nothing as half concours, and seeing imperfections while you have been through a 30 or 60 k paint job is a pain.

I believe better to keep it the way it is until everything is done at the same time.

 

I spoke with Jason (salesperson) thre days ago...now under contract...just not be me, damn. (see the "it's c/4 time" tread)

 

I am also looking for a Daytona , dark colour and plexiglas is my prefered spec but can 't find one . The Silicon Valley car looked to be an original example but needed some money sent to bring it to concours . There are a few cars for sale in the UK but dealers ard asking over $500,000 for ok examples .. They seem to want people to pay inflated prices for mediocre cars .

 

While USA market Daytona models have found their way to Europe they are at something of a disadvantage. The Euro version didn't have the side marker light in the rear fender and the smog equipment of USA models plus different exhaust manifolds. The plexi version or series 1 as they like to call them were never sold new in the USA and was discontinued in 1971. There was a dark blue restored Plexi Daytona for sale in Italy a few years ago but there seem to be few coming to market in recent times.
The German market features a few plexi models like this red Daytona on mobile.de
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Anyone have an idea as to what a good to very good a plexi Daytona would trade for in this U.S.? Do most people regard the plexi nose as more desirable, less desirable or comparable to a later Daytona? TIA.

 

buy condition, regardless of color or euro or usa.
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I consider the Euro-spec plexi Daytona to be the cream of the crop. They look better without the flip-up headlights, and run better with no smog equipment or Dinoplex boxes to fail.

 

agree the plexi looks better, but only in photos. the crude mounting bracketry with rivets looks terrible in person. kit car ish.
if only the plexi glass surround was as nicely detailed as the 275 gtb headlight treatments.

 

Actually i like both (plexi and flip-up) but if I had to choose I would also prefere an early Daytona, without any annoying lights and smog equipment -> euro-version. Early cars didn't have any Dinoplex, which may be an advantage. IMO there is no real need for the Dinoplex and I also don't like retrofitting any kind of modern ignition boxes.

 

The early plexi version Pininfarina 365 GTB/4 does have a certain charm. Especially with the first design white/orange corner lights at the front.

Yes this Pininfarina built car is slightly different than the later production cars.
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The lights cover in detail>
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Good advice. Thank you. I will bear this in mind as I look for a car I can drive until it (or I) drop. I'm at that point in life where I can use my car for a driver. I don't mind using something that is as new or needing refurbishment. There is a corresponding price to either.

 

Were the early Daytona bodies made by Pininfarina and if so when did they change to Scaglietti?

 

AFAIK only the prototypes and pre-production cars were built by Pininfarina

 

Thank you.

 

Thanks Steve for noticing my subtle comment regarding the red Pininfarina built 365 GTB/4 sn.11795 as pictured above in post #13.
The earliest 365 GTB/4 models like sn.10287 and sn.11001 were actually built by Scaglietti. This first pair of prototypes have the single headlight (275 GTB style) nose treatment as seen on the red version 10287 pictured here.
The third prototype was the first Pininfarina effort building a 365 GTB/4. The dimensions are different on this early build. One example of this being the trunk opening is not cut down to the bumper area between the tail lights as seen on later versions including another Pininfarina built prototype sn.12301 the pale yellow model with blue seat covers.
The second image is from an earlier period when sn.11795 was painted blue.
The third image by Marcel Massini shows a restored in red sn.11795 sitting to the right of two other Daytona models shown at the 2003 Cavallino Classic.
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The first 365 GTB/4 prototype 10287 was originally silver as seen in these two images provided by Albaco. Note the unique tail light treatment initially plus the smaller horizontal trunk opening cut line that remained. The pictures in red after the rather ambitious restoration of 10287. Then later restored in gray as seen in 2012.
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El Wayne, not entirely but you have a couple of possible ringers mixed in the group to...

The first three pictures are 10287. The fourth picture is perhaps 12037 in the Peter Coltrin image. Fifth and sixth pictures are also 10287. 7th picture is 11001. 8 through 10 I believe are actually 10287. Picture 11 from 1968 speed test may be 11929. Picture 13 through 15 are 11001. Pictures 16 and 17 are 10287. 18th picture is 11001. 19 through 22 are all pictures of 10287.
What do you think?
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10287 is the only one with the 3 valve heads isn't it as shown in all the engine pics? The first pics are of a car with recessed headlights and the bottom pics in red the headlights are covered. I remember being confused by this before.

 

Picture 15 the side view and picture 18 of the motor are 11001 and both by the same photographer.
The front lights were modified on 10287 when it went back to silver from red for the body color. However the triple tail light treatment was not restored...
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silver looks spectacular on the 365