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  1. roytoy2003

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    Good question...I do not know if the current and orginal builder have measured that portion..I can check and advise..my first reaction would be no...photo angles. The ID stamp on the frame as well as other identify numbers match...HOWEVER we do know for a fact, when the vehicle was sold at employee auction..the following was done for some legal reason as to not have it sold as a "complete vehicle" as has been documented to us in writing by several ex Teledyne employees and management of the sell period..

    wheels were removed and seperate
    tires removed and seperate
    interior was removed and seperate
    engine and drive train were removed and seperate
    doors and tops removed and seperate
    windshield removed and seperate
    rollbar cut off and seperate
    as well as other misc loose items with the vehicle i.e rear shovel, gas and water can, antenna etc etc...

    It was sold in multiple pieces when auctioned at the time
     
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    The tires were run of the mill Baja Kings...what was added was the insertion of an inner air tube inside seperate to continue to drive should the outer tire become destroyed..that is the only change that was made..
     
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    #328 abolfaz, Feb 3, 2013
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    I guess anything is possible, IMO it looks like they've been taken off in the early photos. After all, who would want to build a prototype and include another manufacturers logo so prominently on their show piece?
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  7. roytoy2003

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    YES, TO THE POINT OF WRITTEN, PICTURES, DRAWINGS, TESTOMINALYS...ETC ETC OF ALL INVOLVED WITH THIS VEHICLE...TO THE POINT I AM CONVINCED AND AM SUPPORTING THIS THREAD 110% AS WELL AS MY WRITTEN COMMENTS HERE.
     
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    That would explain the inconsistencies we're witnessing now.
     
  9. roytoy2003

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    I dont have that answer..other then the orginal builder told me they got what ever they could lay their hands on quick and fast to get it prepared in such short time for Lamborghini and the show...

    multiple parts of the vehicle were taken from other readily availabkle parts at the time./..they did not re-inven the entire vehicle...i.e guages...seat rails and fabrics, tires...and a lot of these had others names on it..VODO...THOMPSON etc etc...they took what they had and built a one of a kind vehicle in its day...
     
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    agree 100%...I am sure there was a weld here a weld there etc etc..to put it back together..as a point of fact..both the hood and rear engine deck hold downs are incorrect...they were not present when it was auctioned off...and as documented by the purchaser at the time, he simply replaced them with what he had...of course we are correcting these to the period correct cosmetics..HOWEVER they wont be 100% orginal...they will be a Restoration item
     
  12. abolfaz

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    Perhaps I should have been more specific, I meant you wouldn't want the logo of another car manufacturer on your show piece, IE, Oldsmobile, Ford, Chevy, GMC, etc.
     
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    If "1" were to take "ALL" the mud slinging in this thread...How many bricks could be made?....Mark
     
  14. joe sackey

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    Please don't stir the pot and reduce this from what it is: a spirited & intelligent discussion back-and-forth in the quest by the community of interested parties & enthusiasts to determine very significant claims made by the OP about a historical vehicle.

    I don't see any mud-slinging at all (unless someone decides to get personal).

    Meanwhile if you have a useful comment or observation to make that enhances the discussion, by all means, please share it.

    Thanks.
     
  15. abolfaz

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    #340 abolfaz, Feb 3, 2013
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    Mick, it looks like your partially correct, the upper "point" is there while the lower one is not...
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    I dont think there is mud slinging...I think there are many good questions, observations and comments to this restoration project...I for one take all of them and some are questions I did not think of that I will get answered and documented prior to the reveal..I want no stone left un-turned...so I welcome all comments and questions and will do the best I can..

    HOWEVER...all this aside...lets for the sake of argument agree 100% that this is the one and only Cheetah and it is being restored as best as possible to it's orginal Geneva period presenintation....

    Is it, or is it not a part of Lamborghini history...or as some say just another WHO cares vehicle that just hapend to have a Lambo badge for a show and that was it..?

    That to me is the question I would like answered by several people here that have gained respect of the Lambo world..such as Joe, Peter, Albofonz, Mick etc etc..

    I may not agree with their reponses....becuase for me, it is a part of history..for Lamborghini..and say what you want..it is CLEAR, at least to me..that it was the drop that turned into the river of building 301 LM002 vehicles produced further on by Lamborghini..starting with the Cheetah, the LM001 and so on and so on..

    I just dont see how that can not been seen by anyone reviewing the time line, the evelotion of the base box design, the AWD, the 4 person seating..even the DASH design, the flat windshield, the winch in front (as an option) the larghe special produced RUN FLAT Pirelli tires, so much to compare..IMOr...same on the LM002 as in the early Cheetah..heck even the rear of the LM002 box design as well...to me it is lcear the LM002 did not JUST get designed n its own from Lamborghini...I truly believe Lamborghini took advantage of a small start up company they helped create..did not pay the bills..said the heck with it...thanks for letting us copy as much as we could of your vehicle..now you can have it and take it back tot he USA..thats the way they worked back then...industrial cheating and espinoge was rampat..after all what could a USA company do about it...could not SUE an Italian company in the courts back then by law...and cetainly not one being controlled and subsidys by the Italian goverment int he day...socialist work at its best back then.
     
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    #342 joe sackey, Feb 3, 2013
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    No illusion.

    As you can see in the image below, the wheel sits to the fore of the wheel-well clearly indicating a shorter wheelbase. In the Geneva car (of which many images exist for comparison) the wheel sits dead-center.

    Personally, I wonder how a competent manufacturer would even release a vehicle with this obvious defect for use, and it all adds to the concerns.
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  18. roytoy2003

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    100% agreed...thanks
     
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    again...from seeing it first hand..I can say the lights were not re-installed to the best of fashion...and when correct in the restoration will be correct mounting and in appearance both in color and shape and size...

    I guess look at it this way...

    How hard would it have been for Teledyne to re-locate a specific taillight built in the late 60's to re-plicate onto their NOW owned project vehicles...a big company like that...would make NO SENSE at all..they just used other available taillight assemblys available to them in the 80's...as can be seen on their other 3 prototype vehicles as described here prior......

    They is no reaon or ryhme for them to re-produced the exact one off tailight from 10 plus years prior to be fitted to their new prototypes..as a matter of fact makes all the sense in the world they would seek out and use a up-to date lense..and as can be seen in their prototype pics..they used military designed small sealed lenses with black out slits...after all they were oing after the military contracts..these lgiht lenses would NOT fly or be accepted for military use..
     
  20. joe sackey

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    No, clearly not.

    I have a huge respect for you on your personal project because its your father's car you are reviving. That to me is the most important aspect of what you are doing. But its not a historically significant car you are making claims about, such as the one on topic here, so the issues and standards of adhering to the past are different. I hope we meet up soon so I can shake your hand.

    But Karlton, please drop the "GI Joe" name-calling thing, ok? It doesn't befit a person of your stature.
     
  21. joe sackey

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    I'd say the simple reason is because this is not the same vehicle and this one was built using drawings pertaining to the other for the body but set up on a frame/suspension that is different. That could explain things.
     
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    My eyes are seeing both upper & lower points on the lenses, just blacked out. Hard to tell on the wheel base judging by the bodywork. Could be not mounted or adjusted properly...
     
  23. joe sackey

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    That's what I thought, and is the conclusion of all who have conferred on this.
     
  24. roytoy2003

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    I dont see that..again..one demision photos are misleading..differnt angles, distance, lighting etc etc..

    IF anything..this supports and shows as I have claimed..the porr retro fit by the buyer at auction of placing the body parts back onto the vehicle...obvious the frame and drive train remained as one...so more common sense the body parts are off...but we will have it measured and checked soon to have it reported correctly..
     
  25. abolfaz

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    Roy, where the taillight came from is not in dispute. We all know that Lambo as well as other manufacturers have used off the shelf components in the past ie the universal Hella rear tail lights from the 6.0 or the Vw Scirocco tail lights on early 90's Astons. What I'm disputing is whether or not the lights on the car you are restoring are the same units as on the Geneva car as you are suggesting.
     
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