Humbled by a Nissan GTR....

360 junk ?

i stopped reading after that line....

 

All the tests prove a GTR pulls Waaaaaaaay MORE lateral G's than your 360 could ever dream of. To call the GTR a "Great straight line car" greatly discredits your opinion/s as does basing the abilities or lack thereof of a car on a singular driver's skills behind it's steering wheel...Mark

 

So you post a You tube video of a GTR crashing then make the claim..."This is why you do not want a GTR...Every Ferrari , Year/Make/Model has been crashed...so based on your ridiculous example...NO ONE better buy a Ferrari....Mark

 

You are absolutely wrong on that one....the GT-R gets a tremendous amount of attention, just as much as my Red Scud did.....

 

Challenge Stradale.

 

Yeah I'm about to trade my in for just that reason, I had to reglue the dash with elmers glue to keep it on...

To make a call like above, it comes better from someone who has actually owned the car. And I'll say firsthand it's a nicer interior than the Porsches I've owned.. let alone the american or japanese cars I've owned.

 

Well... there were three (3) GT-Rs in that drive that day out of about 35 cars.
None of them displayed any better cornering performance than the one directly ahead of me. So sure, it must have been three bad drivers.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, any car you can strap three baby seats into is not a supercar by any definition.

It's roots are a Nissan family sedan- end of story.

 

Whoa ! Thems are fighting words... What experience have you had in a 360 ? Did you own one ? Why don't you update your profile so that we can all better understand where your opinions are coming from...

 

1st of all don't mess with the GTR. It's one of the fastest production cars on the planet. If you happen to beat one in a 360, or a 430, pat yourself on the back because you are a WAY better driver than the GTR guy!
To the 360 is junk guy...did you happen to notice the last few pages in the GTR owners manual that has blank spaces for you to fill in the transmission number of the new transmission, so when you change it all the numbers are documented? I think there are about 10 spaces for future transmission replacements. Why? Why does the book say that your warranty can be void if you use launch control? I'm not going to say anything bad about the GTR, I almost bought one. But the 360 is junk? Every car has quirks. I would be more willing to call the GTR junk based on the owners manual, or even that its a Nissan. Just so you know, I also owned and liked several nissans (and still do). But I can tell you from experience that the Nissan is MORE junk than the 360! If you associate faster with better, then yes, the GTR is "better" than the 360.

 

The only problem with the attention a GT-R gets is that the followers are half my age usually.

 

That should be good,shouldn't it?

 

I have owned, or now own a Scud, 430, 360, and a 2012 GTR (a few other cars in there as well).

Stock platforms, and same driver, the GTR outperforms all of them - both in a straight line and at the track. There is NO debating this.

There is also no arguing that the GTR is still one of the most insulated and disconnected driving experiences on the road. You can put down a fast lap at the track but you are still left at the end feeling like you didn't really do anything. This is an absolute testament to the engineering found in the car and also why, if you are a driver, you can't love a GTR. It is also why, at the limits, it is probably one of the safest cars out there as it is VERY forgiving at the edge and will get you out of spots where a Scuderia would let you impale yourself on your misjudgments and lack of ability. The car is a dichotomy.

As far as attention, no car has the cache of a Ferrari - we all know this. Some of us probably drive them for this reason above all else, some of us know better.
The GTR is very much under the radar in comparison.

 

I've noticed that GT-R owners are pretty thin skinned.

Which would you want to own and drive?

A car which was developed by a company using a platform from a family sedan which is their bread and butter.

A car whose primary purpose is building race cars and racing them?

 

Not really....I'd like to see your post w/ all the "hot chick's" you attract vs Mr. GT-R....how many Japanese suits do you own...how many Japanese shoe's do you own...

 

Really???

Ever hear of the Skyline? I'm pretty sure that car had a pretty good record in motorsports

When I read threads like this, it makes me cringe a little. Most other car boards will not have people trashing other car's reputations just because of the make. Kind of makes me feel that Ferrari owners need to justify the cost of their cars.

The GTR is a spectacular car. Is it a Ferrari? No, but it's not pretending to be.

 

Itrack my lotus elise on slicks pretty regularily. On the corner the only non track car that can give me a go is the GTR. These things are fast everywhere, straights and corners.
True most that show up are not stock, and they seem to have a significantly higher mechanical attrition rate than other cars at the track.

As to the 458 and Macca MC12, I tried them. I think whatever criticism you can level against the GTr appleis tot hese other two, Neither was really fun on the road. The driver feels disconected from the action, they are all video game cars, devoid of steering feel, probably monsters ont he track.

I culd nbot think of why from a driving experience one would choose one over the other, or put another way there was nothing the ferrari or maclaren did that the GTR could not do the same. If you're talking drivers cars then its about being able to shift, communicative steering, and a great evocative motor. The 458 has the motor, but thats about it.

Yes the ferrari and Mclaren have the looks, and for 3X the price you get the looks and cachet. In terms of driving experience they are all much of a muchness. One thing though you can turn the wick up to 800BHP on the nissan pretty easily.

In my opinion the last great driver car built was the recently departed GT3 porche. Looking forward to a new great drivers car, maybe the vette or Viper, possibly porche will put a great motor in the cayman. I tried the 991 in stick to say it was underwhelming and basicaly a Gt is to understate the case. So yes I can see a stick 360 or 430 being a great drivers car even if something else on paper is faster. How fast can you really go on the street, and on track, driver skill at matuer levels is usualy far more significant than car performance.

 

Glad you had fun in this race - that is what it's really about!!! I beat Ferraris with a $5,000 1989 Nissan. It's not all about speed. Enjoy life.

 

It should but isn't.

The GT-R fits me better than most in terms of cabin dimensions but the lack of long term viability if you push it hard (really hard) on the street makes me wary. With the wobble fixed on the later ZR-1s, looks like I'll have to stick with the ladies more my age. At least I don't have a gut yet so I do stand out a little in that crowd.

 

Ferrari uses components from Chrysler minivans and Ford economy cars. Does it make them any less worthwhile? And to say that Ferrari exists primarily to race, well, since they began mass producing cars with robots... I feel like that is less & less the focus. Again, doesn't make Ferrari any less worthwhile, and same goes for the GTR with it's Skyline legacy and Datsun racing heritage.

 

My experience young men with tricked out hondas and RX-7's and chicks with lots of tatoos.

I prefer the yuppy princesses.

 

The two best pickup vehicles i ever drove were a 69 baja Bug convertible and lately an escalade.
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I find it interesting that on Ferrari chat there would be as much product/brand bashing against the Chat's own brand as I have seen by some in this thread. Crud, if I didn't know better, I would have been lead to believe that the 360 is "junk," F430's "simply too slow" and Scud's just not up to snuff. Even the 458 took a number of hits! I love those who accuse the Ferrari advocates of brand bashing Nissan in the same thread they disparage Ferrari models.

Fact is folks, the GT-R is a monster from the factory. And once the mischievous tuner elves have done their work, the GT-R emerges from the tuning cave as a true Godzilla class monster. It looks innocent, but what a crushing bite! It can turn some amazing track times, but it isn't able to turn an equal number of heads...certainly not enough considering its capabilities.

It doesn't have the same looks that people call "supercar" looks/styling. Nissan admits that. That doesn't bother Nissan. It clearly (they admit) comes from the same design table as the Altima Coupe and infiniti G37...and those look great to me. But I wonder where in SoCal a GT-R attracts more "looks" than a Ferrari? That claim I would consider suspect, absent some other special features on the car.

Most Ferrari owners are smart enough to know that there are GT-R's, Supra's, Evo's, Pro-Street Muscle Cars, etc. out there that are tuned to the max and capable of inflicting profound humiliation on stock F-Cars (and most F-Cars are basically stock...most)...that doesn't mean we have to hang our heads in shame anymore than a GT-R owner needs to hang his head in shame over what some call "non-supercar" styling (I happen to like the GT-R's understated looks...more stealth to it).

The GT-R is a great value...I'm going to say "best value" out there for a supercar performance class vehicle. I think that is a fair and objective statement (Z06 a strong second place). I test drove one recently and loved it. It's still on my auto-buying radar.
The GT-R deserves credit, respect and a place on the supercar performance podium. The podium is wide enough for GT-R's and many more.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean you should be limited in the power or performance you can obtain. I meant, that it is sometimes less fun to have a car with much higher limits because you cannot hit the limits of the car and learn to control it. Sometimes a car with much lower limits is fun on the street because you can actually 'drive' it as opposed to keeping the car too much within its comfort zone. Does that make sense? A simple example is its not much fun to shift once before hitting the speed limit. Another example is sometimes it is fun to try to get a car through twisy roads that you have to fight with as opposed to one that makes any surface streets tame and boring at legal speeds.