THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

I´d bet that if this car was launched in 2014 or 2015 it would have a turbo engine. Right now, turbo engines are less marketeable for them, but that´s going to change soon. Besides that, probably boosting a bit the V12 they already have is cheaper than adding turbos to the 458 V8 (adding turbos is cheap but making it sound and feel good probably needs some work).

Some may say that compromising the perfomance of a car just for the sound and the cache is for posers. I think that all that buzz about lap times in a road car is just another kind of posing, so in the end, what´s the difference.

I´m glad that this car still has the good ole V12. Probably it´s going to be the last of its saga so I think it deserved this kind of farewell.

 

Slaping a turbo on an engine designed to be a high reving NA is not that simple.. Well it is simple to do it, but not simple to do it in such a way that the engine would still remain reliable etc, etc.. if going the turbo route, I'd much prefer ferrari make a Turbo engine from the ground up, rather then slaping a pair onto an existing NA engine... This is not the MOD scene

 

million dollar hypercar should sound like F1 car not like Camaro or C63 AMG, Ferrari make a brilliant decision to use V12, there is to much turbocharged cars in the market, F70 will be the only hypercar audible from miles away, I also very happy that Lamborghini declared that they don't plan to use turbo in the future,

 

The F50 was the closest example of this.

Following that line of thought and when F1 rules permitted the manufacturer to decide the engine configuration the V10 came out on top. It was shorter than the V12s and more powerful than the V8s - I'd love either the Mc or the Ferrari to use this configuration.

 

There are two major reasons that Ferrari went with a V12, other than the usual answers like: 'Heritage', 'Presence', 'Sound', 'Passion', 'Exotic' etc. Number one: It's expected. Ferrari has to deliver a V12 in the new F150, Ferrari needs a V12 to sell this car. No I'm not talking about the 499+ customers that are getting a physical car. I'm talking about the countless, models, toys, posters, calenders, video games, shirts and other paraphernalia that will be sold based on this car. There's nothing wrong with a V8TT, some would argue that the F40 is the greatest Ferrari of all time. However, this car is about selling a dream, this car already has a cult following and only a few of us have even seen it. Just look at this thread, if you don't think the idea of a big V12 will light up more imaginations than a V8TT, you're wrong.
Number two: Luca, plain and simple. Luca stated, right or wrong, that the new super Ferrari must be a V12. Luca flat out rejected the first design of the Enzo, and then was presented with a design that was much less 'Ferrari', which he went with. The first design of the 458 had side intakes like the 360/430. Luca rejected that and said it could not have side intakes. He famously stated that the Enzo was to have no wing like the F40 and F50, it does not. If you don't think Luca is arbiter at Ferrari, you don't know Ferrari.

 

he decide with no resons? so why he not decide for V4 or V14? I think there was suggestion from customers who want naturally aspirated V12, Ferrari meets the wishes of its customers, it's the reason why they build first AWD car in history, Ferrari FF would be faster on the racetrack with RWD also F70 with V8TT would be faster on the racetrack but that's not what customers want

 

Go Luca go.
I'm with Luca...

 

Please tell me where I said that he makes these choices for no reason? I did not say that, nor did I imply it.

 

True. I'm very pleased with his decisions.

 

By all acounts the F150 will have dizying levels of performance. It will also have the requisite sound on top of that!

 

What's ancient in a 9000+ RPM howling V12? A TT V8 is so humble compared to it...

 

A V6 would have difficulties to match a V12 for power in the upper reaches of the rev range and operating range in general. Not to mention that it would sound horrible. Wait till next year when the V6s will be introduced in F1. I am afraid we will be shocked, in a bad way of course.

 

I think I'm going mad unless I have any leaked pictures or actual release dates, any updated info from those who are visiting Maranello???

 

A V12 was the right choice for Ferrari - they have a long history of producing their great cars with V12s. I would have been shocked to see them put a V8TT in their hypercar this go round, whether it could have improved performance or not. I do agree this could be the last time we see a V12 though - time will tell, but regulations are closing in on these fantastic pieces of excessive engineering and finding new ways to make power will have to be explored by every company, including Ferrari.

A V8TT was not the wrong choice for McLaren if it achieves their performance, packaging and weight targets for the P1. Like many of you have expressed, I would like it to have a V12 as those are generally great engines and I prefer normally aspirated power to forced induction. However, I'm not feeling a loss or that the car is going to be a failure without one because I trust that McLaren examined their options carefully and chose a route they felt was most effective to achieve their goals. I'd also like the P1 to have 3 seats as the F1 did, but that wasn't feasible to reproduce this go round, again because of the regulations in this ever changing world. So the lack of a V12 might not sit well with everyone (that's no surprise, especially not here) and it is unlikely to win the sound war with Ferrari by anyone's estimation, but I don't think that's the goal McLaren were aiming to achieve with their car.

If you can set aside your biases and realize that each company has very different ideologies - a very different approach to design, development, and engineering then it should be easier to appreciate both cars as I expect to be able to do. I don't bleed Rosso like some of you do but just because you do doesn't mean you have to hate what the boys in orange are doing. It would be a privilege to drive or own either one of these amazing cars - it's a great time to be an automotive enthusiast.

All that said - I really hope the F150 turns the page on the current trend of Ferrari headlamps to stretch towards the A-pillars. Maybe someone who has seen the car could register a comment on that?

>8^)
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I find it amazing that people are complaining about what is going to be an epic sounding V12, as long as these engines are around, lets enjoy them! There really is nothing like the feel of a NA engine.

 

With all due respect McLaren havent made enough road cars to have any sort of ideology at all, if like Ferrari that has been producing cars for 60+ years then I would say they have an ideology.

Perhaps in 20 years McLaren would have developed an ideology but at the moment its convenient to use a V8 turbo because they already make a V8 turbo

 

I'm with you! I'd say that it's time to some official release, also another teaser...

 

I'm also starving for those actual pictures.

Bring them out

 

I am starving for information about this second version...

 

Actually, McLaren don't make "their" engine themselves.....never have

 

Agree 100%. The sound of the V12 in the 599 GTO is epic. Simply can't get enough of it and you hear it from miles away.

 

I agree with this totally. At present it seems McLaren's only ideology is "beat Ferrari".
But with its rich history on both the road and the circuit Ferrari's ideology is "beat our own best". There is a HUGE difference.

Personally I hope Ferrari decides to buck the trend and continue to develop and produce V12 powerplants for many years to come.

 

I'd consider myself a hardcore Ferrari nut; I am however not overtly excited about this "them and us" mentality.

Macca is here to stay, a fact that will improve both Ferrari and McLaren products. If we are better, then credit is due to our "adversaries" as well for pushing the boundaries.

Expect the unexpected, I say!

 

I agree that Hyper cars should sound like F1 cars. The 2014 F1 engines are technological marvels. ERS is fantastic.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/395098-mercedes-reveals-their-2014-turbo-v6.html

 

I think it’s going too far with this Ferrari and McLaren battle, so let’s try to get back in track.