THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Question for all of you that have seen the car: did Ferrari release any downforce data at all?

 

Let me tell you one thing, although last weeks I told I wanted see the F150 at the moment... If Ferrari F150 hasn't been unveiled before Geneva, I rediscover the pleasure of seeing for the first time the new creature that appears uncovered by red fabric... and not a car anticipated by computer-generated images that always contain errors and are not to scale as the real car...like when I was a child...and there were only Quattroruote's sketches (italian car mag)

If in the coming weeks will come advances officers from Ferrari, I'll be happy to see them, feeling rewarded for all the time that I dreamed this new creature of Maranello

Al

 

Yes all data except the name, it's a quick car

 

compared with a miata?

 

I've heard rumors that it has 970 HP ( 820 from V12 +150 from KERS)

Any of u know if these rumors are true ?

 

already posted here a few days ago (post 5115): http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142075018-post5115.html

price EUR 1.0 mio plus tax

 

Alot of that info is wrong .. as the posts stated after it.. here are just a few 5121 and 5122

 

Maff, can you share the downforce figures with us?

 

Almost all of the info on that link shared above is wrong BTW. I cant really share any information unfortuantly as it would spoil it for the launch. I spec'ed my car at Tailor Made at the factory and now the wait begins....

 

car will be lower than Enzo?

 

The roof line is.

 

Yes me too I heard, I heard exactly it is what will make a bit more of 950 hp

 

I am sure that Napolis is more qualified (or even better one of his engineers) to explain this, but the cummulative power output of a hybrid system is not the exact sum of the power outputs of the engine and the electric motor as they each make max power at different RPMs. In order for a car to have 950 CV in total, it would need to have, say, 850 CV from the engine plus another 130 from the KERS. These are figurative numbers but you get the point. At least that's what happens in other hybrids. I am nost sure if there is another way of doing it, but I guess that if Ferrari announces a 950 CV maximum power output with 150 coming from the KERS, the V12 will have to make some 830-840 CV!!!

Mr Glickenhaus any insight on this?

 

2cm lower.

 

1127 mm?! Wow like F50 (1120 mm)

 

KERS KW output as a number is less meaningful than amount of time it can be used at what output. It's best use is to bring on maximum torque at lower RPM. (out of the turn)
We were able to produce and store about 50 seconds of 50KW from braking over an 8:20
NS/GP lap just using braking which we used in 4 second bursts. If you use the petrol engine to produce KERS power you reduce petrol HP. On the track with heavy braking KERS works very well. On the road it's value is more of a gimmick to be "Green/92MPG/LESS POLLUTING". Personally I don't think the massive complexity of KERS is worth it on a road car and the next road car we're working on will be VERY light weight, TT and simple.

 

Valid points! Then again, on the road the amount spent at full throttle, especially in such power monsters, is minimal. Hence, the excessive engine power that is not utilised to propel the car, say in part throttle, can be easily used to charge the KERS batteries. That said, it's still more of a gimmick but I hope they get it to work well at least.

Any insight on the original question though? Do you agree that 800 (V12) plus 150 (KERS) do not make 950 in total? (As is the case in a Prius for example)

 

I think the output is governed by regulatory definitions but I'll ask our engineers.

 

I think Arhimede should claim back paternity of his rendering

Are you the Enzo-succeeding Ferrari F150?

 

You didn't ask me but generally you are right. You can't simply add the maximum outputs of KERS and the IC engine since they will occur at different RPM values, depending on how the KERS output is engineered. In a track context, kinetic energy is recaptured from the brakes that ordinarily would be lost as heat. This energy is stored in the batteries to be released later when called upon by the driver. What matters is how much energy is captured and the algorithm for releasing it when the driver calls on it.

 

I'm sorry but in f1 they can push the Kers button at max hp and it would actually add up, right?

 

Sorry if a repost. If so, enjoy again. Pure symphony. Just like the MP2-4-12-MPC-4C-12C-4,
I think Ferrari has trumped the P1 in the sound department

Ferrari F150 Insane Sound! - YouTube

 

And I guess the max hp they declare for the hybrid system is the max they set it up to produce.

 

So as long as the Kers is available at the engine's max power, it's safe to add them. No?

 

In F1 and under Le Mans rules which don't allow it where it would be most effective coming out of slow turns it's sort of a "Push to Pass". Noblesse Oblige is correct. Your also can't use F1 KERS systems from a full stop as a fully electric car as you can with the 918 system
which is why the 918 system is a lot heavier and can claim 92 MPG. The 918 can run a full Ring lap under electrical power. P1 and The F70 can't nor were designed to.