THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Road F40's all have wings as Enzo wanted them to.

 

Yes, and?

 

They look good and are faster around a track than they would be without one.

Unlike you I don't think wings on road cars look ""ridiculous".

I think the F70 could have easily have a wing that made it faster around a race course and looked as good as the ones on F40's do.

If you don't want to look at a P1 wing don't venture out onto a race course when one is running because that's what you're going to be looking at.

 

I know the FXX and 599XX are track only, but i was just using them to highlight the difference between a car developed with a road car brief and a car with a track brief.

Well you can answer your own question of people caring about how fast these super cars really are able to go around tracks by telling us how fast your P 4/5 laps all the race tracks you have had it on? I'm guessing if you find it so important you have had the timing gear on it at every chance at the various tracks you have run her on?

Ferrari, along with all the other manufacturers use performance numbers for marketing.

 

As an aerodynamics expert and as much as it pains me to say it - I am an F150 fan - without a wing (meaning a free flow airfoil, not a hinged device like a spoiler) there is no way that the F150 will produce as much downforce as the P1. That means in track speak that turn speed will be slower as there is less aero-generated grip. This is the point Mr. Glickenhaus has made in some of his posts.
Therefore unless Ferrari has shaped the undertray and the diffuser in ways that produce significant downforce I am worried that the F150 lap time will not align with the P1. Anywho...this is speculation...so we will see in March as both manufacturers communicate their Nurburgring times.

As for me...if I had the money (and I do not by a zero...or more) I would put my name in the hat for all the three new cars, the F150, the P1 and the 918. I would then sell them after enjoying them starting with the one I would enjoy the least.

 

When P 4/5 C runs at race tracks we do time it as do others. Our best NS Ring time so far is 6:51.

 

Why can't a car produce just as much downforce without a rear wing ?? That's silly when u consider how much downforce the 80s F1 cars use to produce by using the ground effect

Maybe the F70 has something similar up it's sleeve

 

It would be freakin cool but I doubt that side skirts would be a viable solution in a road car.

BTW, I remember seeing an early Testarossa sketch that had skirts. Don´t know if they seriously considered that option.

 

Yes, i know you will do that with your race car, that's a given.

I asked if you have track timings for the P 4/5 road car.

 

Friends i'm in crisis! Give me a sign .... a shadow of the new creature ... time passes slowly ... those who are seeing a preview of the car can give us other a few drops of pleasure?!

 

I'm not interested in comparing the physical makeup of racing cars to that of road cars, I'm interested in your point about performance road cars having no use for the benchmark of a race track.

Both racing cars and road cars live to maximize their potential within given restrictions. Their point--speed--is the same, regardless of their final primary usage environment.

In any performance based endeavor, benchmarks are used to measure performance, and as racetracks allow for maximum performance to be measured most easily, they become the uniform environment for testing said performance.

So what if these cars have bumpers and indicators? They're built to exceed performance expectations, and lap times provide customers with an idea of how well those expectations have been exceeded.

It's basic marketing. "My car is faster than your car--here's the proof."

 

P 4/5 C is fully road legal. When it raced the 24 it was fully road legal, road
registered, road insured and wore a licence plate reflecting that fact. When I drove P 4/5 C
around Como on Public roads I simply mounted different tires nothing else.

Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina has also been timed on the Bahrain F1 Track vs an Enzo driven by the same driver and it was nicely faster.

On that track I had a go driving Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina vs Louis Hamilton who driving a Lambo Murciealogo. While I didn't time that the result was pleasing.

 

As most modern sports cars are too fast for the road and for the track there are cheaper track cars, now we would have to talk about the size of the penis of the owner, but probably this is not the right place.

 

Skirts.
Can't run them on the road.

 

Exacto

 

Probably for the same reason airplanes use wings for lift. More effective.

 

In my opinion Ferrari has not done a very good job easing the waiting by letting us, the fans, solve the mystery bit by bit.

Special Limited Series

 

oh thanks...but this page on ferrari official website isn't new for me...

 

While I did win the speed contest I referenced with Lewis I don't think I'd win
the one you referenced.

 

Hey now. Don't sell yourself short.

 

Mine rises at high speeds.

 

One of the things you are forgetting in this is the overall design of the F-1 car and the absence of certain government regulations on a number of things--things which have a huge affect on aero. In addition, the ride height of the F-1 cars is significantly lower than a street car and therefore the ability to magnify the downforce with the diffuser is much greater Take the exact F-1 car and raise it by, say, 4 inches, and see how much downforce it will produce. Answer . . . substantially less.

 

I think your point is proven by the fact that every racecar sports a rearwing. Competition Ferrari's as well.

 

True. True.