THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Veyron's wing does the same thing..........

there is nothing revolutionari. Just a big wing that cand retract in the body.

 

The thing that's cool about P1's wing vs the Veyron wing is that it's huge and it's shape is more complex. That does effect the shape of the P1 and make that shape hyper technical but the F70 could keep a prettier form and still have it turn into a wing. There is no question that Ultra High Downforce can be felt and it's an amazing feeling.

(Said the Actress to the Bishop.)

 

+1!

 

I guess Ferrari gets all parts right (weight and V12, beautiful interior and cockpit, advanced aerodynamics) EXCEPT the only thing that makes the ultimate performance difference. Kind of ironic, I guess had they known in advance the car would have a rectractable wing.

But wait... we don't know everything yet, so there's still hope and we are all still curious!

 

Napolis.....please....please...please run this DP car next year in AMLS or Grand am.

 

I believe that Mclaren NEED to focus on making the P1 as fast as possible around race tracks, or at least appear to in order to try sell the them.
They will need as much exposure for this car as possible, and track records for places like the Ring make headlines.
The headline grabbing top speed records are far beyond any sense these days, so the "fastest road car around a track" label appears to be there aim.

Although they have a incredible 50 year history in racing, they are small fry and relatively unknown to the average person on the street that does not follow F1 racing, especially in the markets that matter to big sales, the USA and China.

 

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I would bet my next paycheck that everyone on this forum who is poo-pooing the assumption (we don't know yet for sure) that the P1 will be faster around a track than the F150, will be the first to brag if it turns out that the Ferrari is faster.

If the P1 is faster, "Oh that's just because they have a small penis. We don't really care about that sort of insignificant stuff. What really matters is that it's pretty and looks nice."

If the Ferrari is faster, "The race track is the true measure of greatness and the fact that Ferrari is faster is proof that they are the better manufacturer.”

When I said that the cars have not been built, I meant that the cars are not yet in production. Final details can still be changed. Anything that anyone has seen is not the true “final product”. If Ferrari want to change anything, they still can.

 

We're trying to do exactly that.

 

Ironic it is.

 

I said it was not the right place...

...but if you insist...

 

The Babe I quoted did look like she would know.

 

So, should we put a prius engine in an Enzo body?

 

*eyebrow raise*

All the best,
Andrew.

 

+6

Its beyond old.

 

Does anyone here seriously think that a large wing intergrated into the body of F70 as it is on P1 would ruin the look of the car?

Anyone think the F70 is better for not have a wing like this?
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That's a cool shot of the P1.

I notice it has center locking wheels now...

 

Does anyone know that the solution that Ferrari opted for is less aerodynamicall effective? That is the question!!!

 

I thought the P1's wing was retractable?

 

It is. That's retracted posistion. When retracted it's flush with the form. F70 could have had a wing that, that when retracted was flush with it's form as well. Luca didn't want F70 to have a wing and it doesn't but I think this solution is very elegant and would have allowed F70 to have a wing and retain it's form should the owner want it to.

 

In terms of downforce I think it will be. Both have active aero and very trick difussers but IMO the one with the wing and DRS will have a lot more downforce and if the 1:45 is true it's downforce is massive.

 

According to some sources in Italy, the F70 also has a retractable wing with a DRS. My point is that we cannot judge before we see the end products and their solutions. For all we know, the F150 could have side skirts that lower themselves in RACE mode and create huge ground effect induced downforce. What we do know thus far is that when Rory Byrne saw the P1, he wasn't particularly worried performance wise.

 

Why is it such a big deal that Luca decided that Ferrari should not have a wing? He has the right to make that choice doesn't he?

Contrary to McLaren Ferrari has not claimed (unless I am totally wrong) that the F70 will be the fastest car on a track. THEY are building what THEY believe is the best car THEY should make as a successor to the Enzo. If people don't like the fact that it doesn't have a rear wing and that it will not be the fastest car on a track.....don't buy it.

I am pretty sure though that wing or no wing they will sell much easier than the McLaren will and that's what counts for them after all. They are in this business to sell cars and make money. They have a view and ideas on how to achieve that and McLaren has another. For now they are extremely successful and all the bad PR some people have been trying to throw at them has not affected their bottom line. Someone keeps insisting that they are not selling as well as they could, that they are getting in trouble because they don't produce at full capacity and bla bla....but ultimately they keep growing and making more money....

 

This is from a someone that went to the presentation answering a guy asking if the F150 does have a big retractable wing:



"No, it's much more subtle and elegant. I really don't want to reveal how it works, but when I saw it in action, I thought, waoh, this is cool and smart, I wonder why anyone hasn't done that before!!!

Now downforce wise, I don't know how it will compare to the P1, the spoiler is smaller, but because of its implementation, not necessarily less efficient, you will understand when you see it and also because it is not the only thing moving, the active aerodynamics are pretty spectacular".

 

We will see but I doubt that the F70 has a wing similar to P1's. (A movable rear spoiler yes) I also doubt skirts.

Funny when Martin saw P1's lap times he told me he wasn't worried about the F70 performance wise