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  1. Mr. Francesco

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    I love threads such as this. I'm looking forward to seeing the progress. Best of luck :)
     
  2. Scuderia-F1

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    GREAT pics, thanks for that you´re taking time to share them with us!
     
  3. Traveller

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    Me Too! At present it is mostly the tear down phase and a few horrors to come, but I hope next week to be able to start posting some construction as opposed to destruction.

    Upsetting what we have found as regards past maintenance but then I suppose that is what you expect from an old racer.

    As someone once said, there is no such thing as a cheap F40!
     
  4. Traveller

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    #104 Traveller, Feb 17, 2013
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    Well we now have the manifolds and turbos out. Unusually this car ran twin KKKs with twin waste gates and produced about 640 BHP before it was fitted with adjustable boost which apparently took it to 720.

    Anyway, no surprise that this is all in as bad condition as the rest of it. Turbos and wastegates off to a specialist for rebuilding and refinishing, the wastegates needing to have specific care taken so they dont blow off even slightly early. Everything will be cleaned up and probably ceramic coated.

    The destruction continues.
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  5. Chicko

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    Loving this thread. This would be my dream project!!!
     
  6. Noblesse Oblige

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    Fascinating thread.... enjoying the photos and the descriptions. Thanks so much.
     
  7. texasmr2

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    Damn those pics are sexy!!!!

    Tim,
    One addition you may want to consider is a "TT- Turbo Timer", I had one and loved it. It seems the F40's turbo's are just oil cooled and not oil/water cooled so a turbo timer is a must imho, no coking.

    Gregg
     
  8. Traveller

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    Thanks for the suggestion Gregg. I will look into it.
     
  9. Noblesse Oblige

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    Just an observation that modern synlubes have much greater temperature stability than the natural lubes of the 80s. Maybe a suitable viscosity can be found for cooling the turbos.
     
  10. Traveller

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    I frequently digress so please bare with me.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM/
     
  12. Traveller

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    #112 Traveller, Feb 19, 2013
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    Construction again!

    This is the fuel tank saga. In short they very badly needed replacing.

    Original car ran with tanks cloaked in a sort of rubberised paint and were well past their sell by date. They are different to road tanks as fuel pumps etc are external for racing. We looked at fitting new cells which only have a 5 or possibly 10 year life(jury seems to be out on this) and as I plan on keeping this car a long time, we decided we did not want to have to take her apart again in a few years time, so we wanted to do better and evolve. Also as the US cars had alloy tanks, this was hardly stepping into the unknown.

    Consequently we decided to avail ourselves of Mototechnique's metalworking skills and fabricate our own. The interiors are being sanded to provide a key for a sealant, and then the tanks themselves will be clad in carbon fibre and then filled with foam. This solution is FIA approved so the car can still race if we ever wanted to and yet provides a belt and braces solution which takes advantage of modern developments in materials, has no weight penalty (possibly a small saving), and will hopefully last the life of the car. More detail as they get built up but here you can at least see the start, together with dry fitting in the chassis as they go along.

    If, in years ahead when I am gone and the car is with a new owner, anyone who was totally hung up on originality can always revert to the cells, should they still be available.

    Always amazed at the skill of someone taking a flat piece of metal and teasing it and cajoling it into complex shapes. I could not even do that with paper.
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  13. NürScud

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    Great progress Tim.! Wish you the best for the restoration.
     
  14. jcosta79

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    Things are moving along quite nicely!
     
  15. Traveller

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    For those of you who are kind enough to follow this thread, a straw poll.

    The engine, as it is coming out imminently, we have a choice:

    1. Refurbish the existing KKK turbos and wastegates and refit as it originally ran

    2. Fitted updated turbos with twin wastegates for hopefully better performance assuming turbo technology has moved on but still similar to how it ran.

    3. Fit LM style IHI turbos and single wastegate as LM

    Ideally were I to maintain twin wastegates, it would be good to be able to fit some form of electrical boost control rather than the current bathroom knob. Is that possible?

    In short, what to do to the engine whilst we have it out, aside from all the normal pulleys, belts etc.

    Please bear in mind that suspension, brakes etc are all being upgraded and evolving to Michelotto LM spec as per earlier in the thread. Also I want to maintain or enhance value not just go for the ultimate in performance terms.
     
  16. jcosta79

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    I vote #2.
     
  17. Kevin2772

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    Just have to say this thread is fantastic. thank you kindly for sharing this experience!
     
  18. Traveller

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    It makes it worthwhile when there are comments like this so I know it is being read and appreciated. Without, why bother!

    Thank you
     
  19. pamparius

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    i love this thread, too, i read with great interest!
     
  20. sherpa23

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    Tim,
    If it were me, I would go with number 3. However, if you have the right folks involved (and it appears you do), you can go with whatever option you want and the car should turn out well.
     
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  22. Noblesse Oblige

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    I gather that you are not doing a "restoration" so you have some freedom to use more recent technology for additional performance and reliability, while conforming to the spirit of the original. So I would lean toward #3.
     
  23. Bas

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    Option 2 definitely. Also, yes it's entirely possible to fit electronic boost control and actually recommended as it massively reduces the possibility of over boosting. Most decent systems now will come with an inbuilt warning system which you can pre set to whatever pressure and if it'll go above that you get a warning light/beep.
     
  24. Traveller

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    I think I am heading that direction too. But would be interested in your reasoning?

    Thanks
     
  25. Traveller

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    #125 Traveller, Feb 22, 2013
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    Well that did not help me much in my decision making on Turbo options!

    Anyway, progress.

    Finally a filthy engine is released. 24 years of road and racing grime removed in a few hours and what a result. We then will break down the gearbox and on Michelotto's recommendation, replace second gear as it is apparently a known weak spot when you start pumping more power through it, especially when used in anger as in racing. Also considering changing the crown wheel and pinion as apparently this car ran in excess of 220 and again on his advice, he suggests a reduction to give us a top speed of about 190/195 which is what he gears his current race cars to, even at Le Mans. The gain, obviously, is in acceleration.

    Note still dry fitting the tanks as they are gradually made up, but in a week or so they should be all clad in carbon and good to go.

    Whilst we have the engine out and broken down, thinking about pulling the heads just to check as it would be a shame to go this far only to find some problem later. Apparently recently rebuilt but after what we have found so far, it might be nice to see for ourselves.
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