1995 keys and fobs?

I will let owners chime in, (I will be one soon) but I believe that '95 cars do not have the alarm or fobs. Only keys.

'96-'99 have alarms with fobs.

Robb

 

No, they're not the same. No immobilizer but they do have a fob to lock/unlock.

 

Not from the factory they don't. Just keys came with the 95s. No fob, no alarm.

 

Interesting...Mine has alarm and (broken) fob. Must be aftermarket, but I've seen no evidence of installation.

In any case, no immobilizer which is the big (good imo) thing with the '95's.

 

One of the many good things.

 

95 GTS here. Pretty sure the 95s only came with keys. 96s and up came with remotes.

 

I like having a fob to unlock the doors and I also like having an alarm. One of the many reasons why I prefer late model 355's like my 98

 

95 here and no fobs. Pros are that the system is more simple, cheaper and no need to carry around a fob. Cons are you need to insert the key to open so you always have to be careful to avoid scratching the car.

 

Changeover was made at Motronic 5.2 to the three fob, two key system. 2.7 cars do not have it.

 

What about battery change out in fobs. Is there a reprogram needed? I have had my car for 5 days. Have the red and 2 black fobs. What is the relationship? Thanks all.

 

I was researching 1995 456's, and the owner's manual only shows a key. The later owner's manuals show a key and fob.

 

Reprograming is not needed when changing fob battery. It is great that you have the red and two black. Simply speaking, red is the master one and is often missing for pre-owned car. Red master is used to clone a new fob and don't lose it. BTW, a pin code is also important to keep.

 

No : the red is only of use to program its original set of fobs or to clone but not as a master so its loss is irrelevant if one has blacks

 

I've got a '96 Spider (2.7 Motronic) and it only came with 2 keys and no FOB.
Seems to confirm the previous post that only 5.2's came with FOB and alarm.

 

Thanks. A few words quoted from a procedure others posted, "In normal practice, use the black fobs and keep the red fob in a safe place where it will not be lost or damaged. This will ensure replacement black fobs can be programmed into the Alarm ECU using the red master fob, if necessary.", may help what I am trying to say.

My case is I do not have the red. Alternatively I am using a black fob to clone another fob, but with certain hardware treatment. (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q/132424-how-clone-black-remote-fob.html) So that is why I am wanting to think the loss is relevant.

 

I am very happy to be corrected but refer you in the first instance to Taz's document in post 331 as linked

 

I tought all 96s were 5.2 because OBD2 was mandatory for all car manufacturers worldwide. How can this be???.....I'm confused.

 

Method of determining model year is country by country. In the US all non Challenge cars 96 and up are 5.2.

 

Thanks for the update.

 

My car is in Europe and was first delivered in Germany.

 

Vincent- Lots of old wive's tales about the three fob system. After initial programming, the Alarm ECU only uses the fob ID and rolling codes of the red and black fobs. The red fob cannot be used again to program other black fobs that are not part of the original, matched set of three.

If you have insomnia, all explained in the attachment someone referenced earlier and attached below. On big threads like the clone a fob thread, it is always better to read them backwards, because there is often erroneous information that is corrected as we learn. Some of it from me, I know for a fact. Postulate, research and then find out what a dummy you were when a pro chimes in with real data.
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Taz, thank you very much for the reference as well. What helped me a lot before is actually the old version of said document. However, can you still please help me with below question?

Actually a f355 friend, a mechanic as well, told me he was able to use the red fob to "clone" (or "copy") another fob which is not one of the original fobs, unlike my case of cloning another fob using certain hardware treatment. So, which statement below should be correct?
1. My friend's case is true. But his case is "cloning", instead of "programming". So that this case is able to match "The red fob cannot be used to program the Alarm ECU to accept other black alarm fobs that were not part of a matched set of three fobs." in the document as well as match my previous post saying "Red master is used to clone a new fob". His way of cloning using red fob is the same as my case using certain hardware treatment.
2. My friend's case is not true. He should not be able to either clone or program since his new fob is not one of original set. And there shall be no way of cloning a fob other than using hardware treatment.

Hoping I am not making thing too complicated. Correct me if I am wrong or unclear.

 

Try this : if I have one fob that came with the car and works (red or black) and I buy another fob (on Ebay for example) the working fob can be cloned to the bought fob so that you then have two fobs that work on the car