Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Is that a fact? Perhaps in Jalopnik terms, but there are numerous accounts of racecars that have never turned a wheel in competition that apparently have set recordtimings during private tests. It is easy to say the P1 is 6 seconds quicker than a GT3 car. The claim itself is worthless if it can't be objectively verified and we don't know under what circumstances this has been esthablised.

 

and that is exactly the problem with the concept. A roadcar and a racecar are two entirely different animals. It is nice when your supercar roadcar knows it's way around a track, but things go wrong when going quickly around the track turns into a primary design goal. A good racecar is a lousy roadcar.

 

McLaren will be running the P1 on racetracks with verified timing.

 

I tire thouselves and myself also but this is just conjecture dear Jim (If I may call you by your first name). McLaren tried to annihilate the 2 year old 458 and they failed. Tell me a good reason why the 2nd best F1 team should be able to beat THE best F1 team when it comes to road cars.

 

Nor are they saying it's a race car. They set out to design a road legal car ("An LMP for the Road" Their exact words to me and others) that could also be used on tracks and when it was it would be the fastest road legal car around those tracks. That was their clearly stated goal. I believe they likely accomplished their goal.

 

I'm not sure what Red Bull has to do with the F70 or P1.

I do agree that when verifiable lap times are set we shall see.

 

Hahaha!!! Clever one! But historically we all know which is the best team!!!

I am with you on the second part.

If I may though, your grievance against Ferrari is a bit too obvious old chap. We might be best mates in real life but I would still give your grief on that one.

Cheers and with the best of respect!!!

 

Ferrari USED to do this. Hopefully they are not becoming the new Lamborghini...

 

It will be interesting to see how much Radical take off the SR8 LM 6'48 Ring time with their new RXC model.

Radical unveils RXC | Racecar Engineering

 

I'm sure you would but you'd be wrong. I have no grievance with Ferrari. Both of us do exactly what we want to do and tell each other exactly what we think. All is good. I have a lot of Friends at Ferrari. Last time we met at a race course we helped them remove a stuck wheel from their 599xx. That's not going to change.

Cheers!

 

To some it will be but I'm more interested in cars that are road legal in the US.

 

Hopefully we shall meet soon. I need a couple more months to recuperate from a serious surgery firstly but if and when I feel alright it shall be a pleasure mate!

 

I wonder if Mclaren will give a similar response if it turns out they can't lap faster then the Radicals.

 

4 Sure.

Hope all goes well with your surgery!

 

IMHO, if it's much heavier than the CGT, it's not very exotic. I think Porsche is building another 959. Way too much hardware for the benefits. It's easy to make something heavy. Ferrari is again years ahead, just like it was with the Enzo vs CGT.

But I suppose the F70 will break long before the 918.

 

Hope U 2 enjoy your P1!

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They tried to make a car that is faster than the 458 and easier to live with and they have definitely, without any doubt accomplished that.
Ferrari may have the deeper, richer history in Formula 1, but McLaren has the higher hit-rate, winning one of every four Grand Prix they have ever entered.

 

The Radicals are not road legal in the US, thus they are not road legal. P1 on the other hand is considered road legal everywhere in the world and it is a car that you could live with like any other sports car, unlike the so-called road car Radical make.

 

P1 will not be road legal in RHD-mandatory countries... you know, like the one you live in.

Anyway, despite the ability to put a license plate on a Radical it's a loose interpretation of the term road car, just like the Dauer 962 was a loose interpretation of a "production car".

These debates rage on forever about what is and isn't, but I think it is a fair bet that if you bought the ultimate Radical you'd probably go faster, but you'd still look like a **** on the drive home.

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I'm sure that MSO would definitely do it if customers are willing to pay some extra $,$$$,$$$s.

 

Right... Get back to me when that actually happens, okay?

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ER

 

How could you be so sure when none of the 918's specs released until this day are accurate/true? This car is very underrated and it will surprise everyone.

 

That might not happen at all, but as long as there's the possibility/chance of doing it, you will never win this one.

 

90% of the discussions in this thread are based on basically nothing. Fortunately, we will start to learn quite a lot over the next six months. That being said, the Porsche will be heavier than the others, and it is also 3/400k cheaper. Regardless, they won't move 918 units, but I am curious about the mentioned light weight version that is apparently in the works.

 

Reminds me of an old joke I love:

I think the reality in this case is that I don't have much too much worry about as I doubt anyone in a RHD country is going to flash that much cash for a converted P1 when for less money they could have a Huayra or Agera R built that way instead.

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