Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That is Flemke F1 and it's a NOT STOCK car.
The car have been heavily modified by a Racing specialist in germany for all F/R suspension and brake system (Discs and calyper) with extensive test on Airfiled to find the correct brake balance.

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This is standard F1 in Tsukuba
As just said a 1987 F40 was able to lap faster where the power gap was not too much important.
Luque

 

In 95 McLaren F1's finished 1,3,4,5 OA at LeMans so your comment that " The McLaren F1 was never great on a track" remains as silly as it was the first time you posted it. Posting it over and over will not magically make it true.

One of them was driven to 240 mph and the rev limit on road cars was lowered not because of any engine limit but because at the time there were no road legal tires that could meet the needed road standard to go 240 through an entire tank of fuel.

The market price for an F1 is about 4.5MM USD far, far above where any other "Super" "Hyper" on the planet sells for very good reasons.

 

True true..

 

But the F1's that finished 1,3,4,5 at Le Mans had a modified racing suspension, very different to that of the standard car.
You should know better. Just take a look at your P4/5 and P4/5 Competizione. There's a huge difference between the 2 cars.

Luque already posted a video of the F1 lap time on Tsukuba circuit. Guess what, it's SLOWER than an F40. Btw the F40 has 478 HP. That's 160 less than the McLaren F1.

As 4 the retail price of the F1, it's due to the fact there were only 75 road cars built .
If Ferrari would have built 50-100 Enzo's, their market price would also be in the same range.

 

Yes but anyway hats off to the genius of Gordon Murray.
The packaging of the F1 is a real masterpiece.

Luque

 

+1000

 

There you go again.


"As 4 the retail price of the F1, it's due to the fact there were only 75 road cars built .
If Ferrari would have built 50-100 Enzo's, their market price would also be in the same range."

Is opinion.

"The market price for an F1 is about 4.5MM USD far, far above where any other "Super" "Hyper" on the planet sells for"

Is fact.

 

I seriously doubt that. Here's my "sniff" test:

If you could only have 1 supercar in your collection and ONLY 1, what would you pick?

I would venture that the overwhelming majority of people would chose the McLaren F1 over any other car. THAT is why the F1 is currently selling at $4.5M, not (just) because they only made ~70 of them.

 

Napolis, what is the p4/5 market value? A lot more than an F1, why??? Exclusivity is the answer

 

You too seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between Fact:

"what is the p4/5 market value? A lot more than an F1,"

and Opinion:

"why??? Exclusivity is the answer"

 

Still trying to understand all the McLaren hate. The F-1 is considered by many to be the pinnacle of engineering. It is wonderfully compact car; it is innovative and it is, by all accounts, one of the greatest cars of all time. I have never driven one but I have been a passenger at high speed. It was like the "Hulk" roller coaster at Universal studios. (The owner offered to let me drive, but I couldn't fit in the car. I am over 6 feet and he is 5'8" and the seat was custom made for him. Besides, I wasn't sure I wanted to wreck a 7 figure car.)

 

Beat me to it!

 

Not exactly. A car like P4/5 has certain intrinsic value due to the materials that are used and the labor and engineering that was involved in producing it. Because only 1 was made means that all those costs are tied directly to that 1 car. This is different than a production car where those costs are spread over multiple units.

But when you are trying to determine the market value of a car, there is really only one way to measure that: What someone else is willing to pay for it. (Your house may have cost X number of dollars to build, but it's only WORTH what someone else is willing to pay you for it) There are a number of factors that make up market value, only one of which is exclusivity. Just because something is exclusive, does not automatically make it valuable.

 

When I am speaking before college students or grad students, a concept that they can grasp pretty quickly is "know-how." I used to hate that phase because it seemed so basic, so uncivilized. A speaker can think of a better phrase than "know-how," right?

Well, I have used a number of words to describe it, but the students keep bringing me back to it, because it is so descriptive. Any good company can build basic transportation in the form of a car. But, it takes 'know how'--and all that it implies--to create something of value.

 

I know you are lieing. No car guy would pass up the chance to drive a f1 even if you don't fit lol.

 

Customer cars had a top speed of 345 km/h and that was the official claim!

As for the racing version of the F1, that had nothing to do really with the road car.

 

False (again).

>8^)
ER

 

A bit more than "nothing". A friend has a US road legal one that McLaren converted to Racing specs for him with a wing and a lot of other things and it's a great road car.

He was driving it around Pebble last summer, the White one which some of you may have seen.

Back on track I beleive that F70 will not have a KERS button but will only operate automatically.

Those getting P1's should really take some time to get to know the car before saying:

"Hold my Beer. Watch this!" as they turn off the DRS and push the KERS button.

 

Well, nothing was a figure of speech. They had huge differences though. Better now?

 

It was an interesting thing. I didn't know the guy who owned the car. He was a friend of a friend. He took me for a ride and I almost wet my pants.

Then, he asked me if I wanted to drive it. I was reluctant and he pushed a little. As I tried to maneuver into the center seat, it was a tough fit. I thought I could throw my knees to the side, but the center seat is in sort of a tunnel and there is no way to move one's knees to the side. They are either upright or not in the tunnel. So, I decided to try to sit upright and pull my hips back and up out of the seat to let my legs clear--but that was no good, because I kept slipping down. It was really cramped. This put the steering wheel on my thighs.

I was told that his seat and the driving position were fitted just for him.

And, when I didn't fit well, I decided not to push it. While I would loved to have driven his car, it just wasn't right. Now, if it had been my friend's car, that is another story.

Geez this is over 10 years ago. I weigh 15 more pounds now. No way I would fit that seat.

 

Will the 918 (which also has a push to pass button) be the car with most torque in your opinion?
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I hope that F70 will have similar exhaust sound
Pagani Zonda 760 RS - YouTube

 

I think the Hypercars with a KERS button in addition to automatic KERS will be more fun to drive and have an advantage around a track vs if they didn't have a KERS button. I also feel the same about driver controllable DRS. Once again exercise care in pushing either should your hyperchoice have one or both.

 

McLaren has officially advertised P1's torque at 900 Nm.

 

Maybe, maybe not ... but the peak torque (of the motor) is nowhere nearly as important as peak horsepower, providing that the car is geared intelligently!!

Anyway ... per your graph, the Porsche 918 produces a peak (gas plus electric) torque of about 630 ft-lbs (about 860 NM). We can approximate what to expect, torque-wise, from the F70's gas motor alone by comparing to the F12's motor, scaled appropriately by displacement ratio (hp is harder to predict, since it depends so heavily on torque plus the engine's ability to breath at higher RPM) ... further, we know that Ferrari is advertising F70 full torque (gas plus electric) available really low (1000 rpm if memory serves). Bottom line, it wouldn't surprise me to see a peak torque rating from the F70 (gas plus electric) north of 600 ft-lbs as well.