Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I, on the other hand, think that is somewhat of a poor integration. I think we should go towards a brake, accelerator and wheel only interface, improving auto boxes, similar to F1 a few years ago. I think all other activities in the car should be a function of these three inputs.

I definitely lack the real experience though.

Push to pass, for example would make sense only at full throttle, so why not implement it in the throttle response? The only reason that I find is that it would not be always available or at least not in the same amounts, which makes a button some kind of forced solution rather than an option

 

IMHO, KERS should be completely invisible and seamless to the driver in a road car. It should just feel like an engine with instant throttle response and the same power at any rpm. Sort of like a CVT, but for HP.

 

That's the direction the f70 seems to be taking. Just hope they don't spoil everything with an even more pointless Drs button. Hope the wing moves continuously by itself.

 

My left foot gets bored without a clutch pedal to play with. Seriously.

 

Having a computer rather than you deceide when to recharge your KERS will be fine for
those who like Driviing cars that cut cylinders when the computer want's you
save gas. Just as nice as the computers that jump a gear when they think you
won't care or notice to save fuel.

 

Still not feeling it.

No one has to use KERS or DRS manual control even though some of these
new HyperCars will have it.

Just like you can leave a paddle shift car in auto mode you can leave P1 and 918's systems
in auto mode if you want to.

If you have buttons as well you have the choice. If you don't you don't.

I remain pro choice.

 

P1 specs to be publicly released tomorrow.

 

Not sure how a KERS switch adds to the driving enjoyment or performance if the power delivery is seamless and the batteries don't wear out. I'd like instant throttle response and smooth maximum power whenever I call for it with my foot. I'm too busy steering, braking and shifting to have to worry about hitting a KERS switch. Reminds me of the old boost knob on the Porsche turbos or the NOS button on the hot rods.

 

From what I've heard about the p1, I would not hit that button after a big lunch. We'll see...

 

The batteries WILL run down after a about two minutes of full power boost without being recharged.

By manually controlling it you can decide where you want to use KERS as opposed to having a computer telling you where it wants you to use it.

You can also recharge it when you want it to recharge not when it wants to recharge. On the road stuck in traffic or on the track under a yellow for example.

At full boost on a Ring lap none of these Hypercars will recharge full power from braking. On a Full GP+NS lap (8:20) you're only going to get 50 seconds of 50KW. 50 seconds is enough for 12 4 second bursts out of a turn which is about what you need but if you crank the out put to the output that these hypercars will be running their KERS at you won't make a full lap with the boost you need unless you start TOTALLY charged and you won't end the lap totally charged. That's why their battery packs are going to be be huge and why in Automatic full power you'll only get one hot lap at the Ring in them. To hot lap, lap after lap, you'd have to crank their output way down.

 

In the P1 it will work really well. They're using huge turbos and KERS to fill in torque while the Petrol engine spools up. We think a race version would work really well and the FIA is working with us to enable all three of these to race several 24's. If anyone wants to consider racing any one of these hypercars get in touch and we'll help you make it happen.

 

I suspect the automatic KERS management and ICE charging on these road cars will ensure the batteries never run out, especially if charged the night before. No one will accelerate for more than a minute, and likely less than 10 or 20 seconds. They'll probably have some disclaimer that power (battery charge) may be lost under some extreme conditions.

 

For many owners true but some will use KERS boost a lot more than 10 or 20 seconds an outing.

We used it for almost 2 hours during our 24.

 

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I think only depositors are due to receive the full specs this week. I expect them to get leaked immediately thanks to the internet, but the true public release is supposed to wait for Geneva's press conference on March 5th.

Some very pretty pictures have hit the web - one already shared here.

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The P1 numbers are out...

Here are a few to compare to when you learn what they are...


17.0 – Audi R8 LeMans (3.6l V8) Race car
18,2 - Bugatti Veyron 1001 hp
21,2 - 9ff-Porsche 997 Carrera 2 3.6 Biturbo Cabrio 780 hp
21,7 - Gemballa GTR 750
22.3 - 993TT, 3.8 ltr, Garrett turbos, stock intercooler, 1450 kgs, some aerodynamic help such as no mirrors and no wipers.
22,4 - McLaren F1
23,2 - MTM bimoto 740 hp
24,8 - Ruf Rt12 (AWD) 650 hp
25,2 - 9ff GT2 843 hp
25,9 - RS Tuning 993TT 533 HP (AWD)
26,1 - Ferrari Enzo 660 hp
27,6 - Ruf Rt12 650 hp
28,5 - 996 GT2 RS-Tuning 542 hp 28.5
29,0 - Ruf CTR "Yellowbird" (see last post on page 4)
29,9 - Ferrari 599 GTB 620 hp
30,6 - MB SLR McLaren 626 hp
30,6 - Brabus E 500 v12turbo 640hp
30,7 - Ruf R Turbo 520 hp
31,8 - Lamborghini LP640 640 hp
31,9 – Techart 911 Turbo Cab 600 hp
31,9 - Mercedes SL 65 AMG
32,3 - 996 GT2 Techart GT Street S 646 hp
32,5 - MB Brabus CLS V12 730 hp
33,6 - Ford GT 550 hp
34,2 - Porsche Carrera GT 612 hp
34,8 - MB SLR McLaren 626 hp
35,8 - MB SLR McLaren 722 626 hp (AMS Nardo)
36,1 - Ferrari 575M Maranello
36,9 - MB SLR McLaren 626 hp
37,0 - HGP Golf R32
37,5 - MTM Audi RS4 Avant (V6) 602 hp
40,7 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480 hp
40,9 - Porsche 911 GT2
41,4 - Ferrari 575M Imola 575hp
41,8 - Corvette Z06 512 hp (AMS)
44.5 - Bentley Continental GT MTM
44,8 - Mercedes CLS AMG Carlsson 560hp
47,5 - Porsche 997 GT3
49,6 - MTM Audi RS6 Avant 568 hp
49,9 - Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 520 hp (AMS Nardo)
49,9 - Alpina B6 Coupe
51,1 - BMW M6 507 hp (AMS Nardo)
52,7 - Alpina B5 Touring 500 hp
55,6 - Brabus Maybach SV12
56,7 - MTM RS6 CS 56.7 sek
57,1 - Aston Martin Vanquish S 528 hp
57,9 - Corvette Z06 512 hp (AMS Nardo)
59.0 - MTM Audi S4 Cabrio
60,4 - Bentley Continental GT mansory 630
62.8 - Alpina B7
67.2 - Bentley Continental GT

 

Hahahaha. BB

 

Pretty amazing numbers 4 sure.

 

You called it from the start. Nothing short of amazing. Good for them.

 

As I said...

McLaren P1 by the Numbers. | Inside Mclaren

 

Reality check?

 

After the Italian Elections today a lot of people may be getting a reality check (futures a bit ugly) but 0-300 KPH in under 17s isn't too bad and bodes well for my Ring time prediction of 6:55.

 

If nothing else, it will make current depositors happy. I know a few who were hoping McLaren would build far less than the 500 they stated would be the max, and those individuals were not shy in sharing this desire with McLaren.

>8^)
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I have a strong feeling that they will not sell all 375 units. That does not make it any less amazing. I'm still waiting for certain numbers to emerge to compare them with the F150 times that I know.

 

It was mentioned they had received over 300 deposits when the car was shown here in Beverly Hills and I know they have picked up more with the stops in the recent Middle Eastern tour. I think they have decided on a number they know they can sell, and will perhaps be leaving some people who were late to commit on the sidelines which will bode well for future values, and of course 918 sales.

>8^)
ER